Tamiya SdKfz 223 (fu)

The Tank Workshop made an interior but I believe it is out of production and Eduard makes a PE set. The vehicles were in fact painted yellow over the gray paint or sometimes the yellow was little more than a thick coat of dust.

Hey there,

Why don't you join in the Small AFV group build! We were just talking about the exact topic, as myself and a couple of others are doing or thinking of doing 223's. I know there is detail sets, but I don't know specifics.

Most Afrika Corp vehicles came across in Panzer grey, and were then painted in a number of different ways. Paint was often used that was captured from the British, or that was borrowed from the Italians. Sometimes the Dark yellow was applied in patches to the Grey, and sometimes all over. Red browns and Earth colours was often used on top of that. Some sources say that the Dark yellow that became standard in 1943 is not the same as the desert stuff they used. It is a can of worms, so to speak. I would just do what you think looks goood, or what matches a photo or source you find.
They all looked pretty terrible pretty quickly in any case!

Matt

Manik,
a good place to search for items (even if you don't buy them there)
is www.greatmodels.com
click on the search button on the left menu.
i then put in 1/35 sdkfz 223
and got 12 hits.
at least 2 of them came up because they had 223 in their part #,
and a few are OOP, but it gives you an idea about waht is/was around for a kit.

good hunting,
ed.

QUOTE: Originally posted by ManiK_Impressive I'm just starting on the Tamiya SdKfz 223 (fu) along with finishing my stuart and I want to know if there are any extra detail sets, like photoetch parts and stuff like that, I'm already planning on getting the interior set for it. Also, one question about the painting of it, I'm doing the African version of it and I just want to know wether the dark yellow was painted on over the field grey or whether It was just painted in desert colours originally.

The answer on the paint is "Both ways are right". It all depends on the time period.

Early in the African campaign they would have been Desert Yellow over Panzer Gray. Keep in mind that the German's at this stage did not have enough Desert Yellow paint so there is a lot of variation and most vehicles would not be completely covered. The interiors and other similar areas would have been left in Panzer Gray. Add to this it was common practice to cover the vehicles with mud instead of paint. This lasted for a short time and produced some interesting weathering patterns.

If the vehicle was later in the campaign (like in Tunisia), then the vehicle was either received in Desert Yellow or Dunkel Gleb overall (applied at the factory), or Panzer Gray (and then sprayed with Desert Yellow).

No matter what you choose. Have fun with it. I've just finished building a 223 and it is ready for paint. Mine is going to Russia!

Allthough the base coat was if fact the panzer grey there are some photos and references that some vehicles did in fact come over in a dark yellow almost a sand and that colour replaced the panzer grey as the new primer. But the ones that did come over as grey they applied sand yellow over their vehicles. they applied the paint with what ever they had handy, mops, rags, brooms any thing that would spread paint. So what am I getting at? the finish of sloppy field applied paint can be reproduced by using a q tip dipped in your paint, all u gotta do is use circular motion and the small wooshes of a mop is reproduced wonderfully. Hope this helps

PzrMyr13

"The answer on the paint is "Both ways are right". It all depends on the time period.

Early in the African campaign they would have been Desert Yellow over Panzer Gray. Keep in mind that the German's at this stage did not have enough Desert Yellow paint so there is a lot of variation and most vehicles would not be completely covered. The interiors and other similar areas would have been left in Panzer Gray. Add to this it was common practice to cover the vehicles with mud instead of paint. This lasted for a short time and produced some interesting weathering patterns.

If the vehicle was later in the campaign (like in Tunisia), then the vehicle was either received in Desert Yellow or Dunkel Gleb overall (applied at the factory), or Panzer Gray (and then sprayed with Desert Yellow).

No matter what you choose. Have fun with it. I've just finished building a 223 and it is ready for paint. Mine is going to Russia!"

That leaves me with a second question, what do I need to give the effect of the tires being covered with sand and the bottom of the vehicle being weathered like it's been in use for a bit.

"Hey there,

Why don't you join in the Small AFV group build! We were just talking about the exact topic, as myself and a couple of others are doing or thinking of doing 223's. I know there is detail sets, but I don't know specifics."

Thanks for the info, I'll definitely join, hopefully I can finish on time, schools got me really busy, but I'll try to finish

QUOTE: Originally posted by ManiK_Impressive [brThat leaves me with a second question, what do I need to give the effect of the tires being covered with sand and the bottom of the vehicle being weathered like it's been in use for a bit. Thanks for the info, I'll definitely join, hopefully I can finish on time, schools got me really busy, but I'll try to finish

To paint the tires and the undercarriage, for a desert vehicle, I would start by painting the vehicle as new. Then I would add a "dusting" effect using an airbrush. This is easily done by "backing" away from the model and shooting a lighter coat. The idea here is to have the base color show through the dusting. I would then follow up the dusting with a brown wash and a dust color weathering powder applied over everything, and a brown weathering powder applied around all the raised details. If you are curious about the weathering powders, check out the BARV in the Sherman Group build.

http://members.shaw.ca/ShermanGroup/

Click on my FSM nick on the left hand side column under contributing members. There is a writeup of the kit and some pictures posted below the writeup.

It's not hard to do. Good Luck.

Good Luck.

Hmmm, I'm stuck without an airbrush until I can save up enough money to get a decent one, anything that can be done without an airbrush?

QUOTE: Originally posted by ManiK_Impressive Hmmm, I'm stuck without an airbrush until I can save up enough money to get a decent one, anything that can be done without an airbrush?

In the absence of an airbrush.
Do the technique with washes and the weathering powders. They will give you a good effect.

How do I use weathering powders and are they the same as pigments?

i think he is refering to pastel chalks
(do not use oil based chalks!)
grind some of the stick into powder bt rubbing it on sandpaper, a file or scraping w/ a knife.
then dust on. or flick on w/ a stiff brush.
effect is good, but it must be last step as they will come off or smudge w/ handling.
'sealing' them w/ dullcote will work but tends to mute or obscure the subtle colors & shadings.

search the forums for stuff on pastel chalk.
i am sure there is a ton.
ed.