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Questions about converting a Monogram Panzer iv to a flakverling

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Questions about converting a Monogram Panzer iv to a flakverling
Posted by philo426 on Friday, October 20, 2017 7:37 AM

Picked up a Monogram Panzer iv at Hobby lobby yesterday with the forty percent off coupon.I have a Tamiya four barrel flak unit and was thinking of converting it.Any online drawings available to build the open topped turrent from scratch?

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, October 20, 2017 10:17 AM

Monogram's old German armor kits were manufactured in 1/32 scale and the Tamiya Flak is in 1/35 scale. This may or may not be of concern to you.

Monogram released that kit in several variants with just a simple turret swap being the difference.

They did the flakpanzer wirbelwind https://www.scalemates.com/kits/185413-monogram-6860-flakpanzer

They also did the single gun ostwind https://www.scalemates.com/kits/185424-monogram-7582-flakpanzer-iv

Your kit and these two kits are the same hull with different turrets.

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, October 20, 2017 11:36 AM

Yes I remember making the same kit in '74 and it did seem rather large.The new kit seems different and has a copyright Revell 1970 stamped into the bottom of the hull.I wonder if I can find a wrecked kit wih a good turret somewhere.Seems a shame having to purchase a complete kit just for the turret.

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, October 20, 2017 12:20 PM

I went on Echo Bay and found a PE turret designed to fit my Tamiya flak unit.14 bucks but something you do not want to make mistakes with.Will ponder further...

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33 PM

Once upon a time, Verlinden made resin turrets that would have cost more than the old Monogram kit was worth. I did a quick eBay search and there is a reasonable Dragon turret that could be used, but not the type turret you are looking for.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cyber-Hobby-1-35th-Scale-Kugelblitz-Flakpanzer-IV-Parts-Tree-A-X-1-from-9109-/302457917319?hash=item466be58f87:g:WD4AAOSwQNRZwDex

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, October 20, 2017 12:42 PM

Thanks but it is the wrong turret.If I cannot find a used one I may have to go with the PE unit on the bay.

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Posted by Pawel on Friday, October 20, 2017 4:34 PM

Hello!

philo - I'd jokingly say I'm sure you are as desperate to make that conversion as the German troops were in the eastern front in 1943! So I'm sure you can do it. I think what you are looking for is the so-called Moebelwagen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6belwagen

In this baby you only add five flat armor panels to the Panzer IV hull.

The prototype was armed with a Flakvierling, the regular production vehicles with 37mm Flak, so you'll probably have to take some liberty here...

Hope it helps, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 20, 2017 4:40 PM

"Mobelwagen" by the way means "Furniture truck".

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Posted by Pawel on Friday, October 20, 2017 5:06 PM

And also used to mean "movers' van"

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:36 AM

That's because old vintage mover's trucks had drop sides and were used to move furniture. The original flak wagons had drop sides to act as armor when raised and foot platforms when lowered. Hence the nickname.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:50 AM

Can you just clarify. From your post, i thought you were talking about converting it to a Wirbelwind.

But GM and Pawel are reffering to the Mobelwagen.

Which one do you want to build?

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Posted by philo426 on Saturday, October 21, 2017 12:58 PM

Yes that is the one!flat panels are boring! 

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Posted by T26E4 on Sunday, October 22, 2017 5:47 AM

Philo: I think you're making this much too complicated -- build your Monogram/Revell Pz IV as is.  Then get a Tamiya Wirbelwind off of eBay or Amazon and built it, as is.   Right now, there's one on Amazon that's under $25 with shipping

 

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Posted by philo426 on Sunday, October 22, 2017 5:16 PM

Yes I do tend to overthink but the pe turret is about 14 shipped and I may get that instead.

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, October 23, 2017 1:59 AM

Is that the Lion Roar turret?

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Posted by T26E4 on Monday, October 23, 2017 7:53 AM

You may find that a disappointing option.  The PE turret is meant to replace the 1/35 plastic turret of the Tamiya or DML kit.  It (and the flak) will look undersized on your 1/32 Panzer IV -- approximately 10%.  If you're good with that, then by all means, proceed.  Like I said earlier, I'd spend the $25 and get a dedicated Flakpanzer IV with all the correct fittings.  But those are according to what makes me happy in this hobby.  Your preferences are 100% yours and please only take my comments as advice -- feel free to ignore.  Regardless, good luck w/your build!!!

 

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:28 AM

Yes many options to consider.I wonder how difficult it would be to scratch build it,Yes I think it is the Lions Roar turret.

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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:00 PM

T26E4

Philo: I think you're making this much too complicated -- build your Monogram/Revell Pz IV as is.  Then get a Tamiya Wirbelwind off of eBay or Amazon and built it, as is.   Right now, there's one on Amazon that's under $25 with shipping

I agree, and I'll add, I'd just buy the Monogram Wirbelwind kit, too.  I don't think it's currently in production, but you can find it on eBay.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:52 PM

philo426

Yes many options to consider.I wonder how difficult it would be to scratch build it,Yes I think it is the Lions Roar turret.

 

Your first problem is that for the Lion Roar turret, you need the base of the Tamiya turret. Even if you have this, the Tamiya 35th turret base will be to small for the 32nd Monogram hull.

I will echo whats been said. Just buy the Tamiya Wirbelwind and build the mono kit as it is.

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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:20 PM

Yes might be the best option.

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:08 PM

I decided to attempt to scratch build the turret.The basic hull and bogies are assembled and the roadwheels painted over the desert yellow (green and brown cammo to be airbrushed later).I took a side view drawing in Chamberlins Encyclopedia of German Tanks Of WW2 and transferred  via old schooL carbon paper.I then doubled it in size which I did with dividers.No diubt it is too large but I can reduce the construction drawing via the copy machine at the library which can reduce it to the correct size.I have to construct a fixture to hold the plates at the correct angles,not an easy task.Not sure I can but I sure will try.

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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:02 AM

Mocking it up!  

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:32 PM

starting to build it up.  

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:39 AM

Turret construction not going well but i got the tracks on! 

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:41 AM

Added a chain up front.  

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 4:47 PM

Yeah, I told you to do that Mobelwagen, that would have been easier!

Did you try to make a paper model of the turret shell first, and then use the paper as template for styrene parts?

Nice camo, good luck with your build!

Paweł

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 4:49 PM

Yep!Thanks!

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