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Jagdpanther II barrel dimensions (Amusing Hobby)

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Jagdpanther II barrel dimensions (Amusing Hobby)
Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:26 AM

Amusing Hobby released a fictional Jagdpanther II kit a while ago and I finally placed an order for it. While I'm waiting for it to arrive here from Asia, I want to collect all the AM items I want to add to it, which includes a metal barrel.

However, I'm not really happy with the normal Jagdtiger barrel Amusing Hobby chose for the kit and I plan on using a barrel that looks similar to this one:

That plan ofc involves getting an aftermarket barrel not designed for the kit, which means I need to know the diameter at the base of the barrel and the overall length of it.

Could anyone here who owns the kit measure the barrel for me?

I already found a couple of AM options that might work, I just need to know if they actually fit the vehicle.

I'd really appreciate any help on this.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:42 AM

Ok. If you want that kind of barrel, then you need Mr Modelbau's 128mm barrel for the Amusing Hobby Lowe. It should fit the mantlet hole and it comes with 2 different resin brakes.

 

I will post a link after I have eaten. Don't forget Friul's Panther II tracks.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:56 AM

That particular barrel is actually one of the options I am considering. I'm just not sure how much I need to modify the mantlet (if at all) to make it fit properly.

The Friul tracks are already in my stash. Smile I had one look at the workable track in the kit and decided I wasn't even going to attempt using those...

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:13 PM

This is the standard one which replicates the kit barrel and the one I used on mine

https://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/product_info.php?products_id=850&MODsid=b8739ea1be0eddfd41dcc7f1e81cd10a

This one should just fit in without any modification to the exterior of the mantlet. There may be some modification needed on the inside. It is not something I looked in to!

https://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/product_info.php?products_id=766&MODsid=b8739ea1be0eddfd41dcc7f1e81cd10a

 

This is how mine came out

I might go back and do a desert camo Afrika Korps version with the long 128mm too.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:19 PM

The MR Lowe barrel does come with a resin mantlet, which i used on my Lowe. But i don't think the Lowe mantlet would fit the Jagdpanther. I have the MR barrel for the jagdpanther, i will see if it fits in the Lowe kit mantlet.

I have dicovered you don't need much for these Amusing Hobby kits, PE tool clamps is about the only thing i feel they really need.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:26 PM

The JP II barrel is a lose fit in the kit Lowe mantlet. This means the Lowe barrel would be a very tight fit, you may have to sand a small amout the from the inside of the JP mantlet.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, March 31, 2019 2:20 PM

snapdragonxxx

This is the standard one which replicates the kit barrel and the one I used on mine https://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/product_info.php?products_id=850&MODsid=b8739ea1be0eddfd41dcc7f1e81cd10a This one should just fit in without any modification to the exterior of the mantlet. There may be some modification needed on the inside. It is not something I looked in to! https://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/product_info.php?products_id=766&MODsid=b8739ea1be0eddfd41dcc7f1e81cd10a

The second one is the barrel I'd like to use. I know there are several AM barrels available for the kit, but they all look like the Pak 44 on the Jagdtiger. I'd prefer to use the Löwe 128mm simply because I prefer the look of the 2-part barrel with the muzzle brake.

I really like your Jagdpanther II btw, especially the splinter camo.

Bish

The JP II barrel is a lose fit in the kit Lowe mantlet. This means the Lowe barrel would be a very tight fit, you may have to sand a small amout the from the inside of the JP mantlet.

Thanks for checking that out for me. I'm a bit confused though. Doesn't the Löwe use a 105mm gun as it's depicted in the AM kit?

The Jagdpanther II is supposed to have a 128mm Pak 44. Does AH give you a choice of guns and mantlets in the Löwe kit or is the 105mm barrel just the same diameter as the Pak 44?

Bish
I have dicovered you don't need much for these Amusing Hobby kits, PE tool clamps is about the only thing i feel they really need.

I already have a couple of their kits and I definitely agree with you on that.

On this kit I'm just going to use the basic Voyager PE set to replace the tool clamps and the oversimplified spare track brackets and if possible, a new gun barrel just to get a different look.

The Friul tracks aren't needed at all, but the kit supplied tracks are just way more complicated and finicky to assemble, so that's more of a quality of life change than an detail improvement.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, March 31, 2019 5:47 PM

The VK 7201 version of the lowe comes with 2 different mantlets and guns. The standard Lowe kit just comes with the 105mm which was the original design and the reat turret mounted VK had a provision for the long 128mm. with the VK having 2 mantlets, the same as the Lowe kit and a slightly different one for the longer 128mm one. Mr Modelbau does both with resin mantlet and brake, although the Mr Modelbau 128 does fit in the kit 128 mantlet on the VK.

It should fit on the Jagdpanther II. I might give it a go too and see what happens.

I do like the Amusing Hobby kits and do usually change the tracks as I much rather see the more substantial metal tracks sitting on the wheels with the weight giving a much more realistic look. They are also much wasier to deal with than the kit tracks in a lot of kits!

I am taking longer to put together the E-100 Friul tracks than normal for my waffentrager build. I don't know why!

There should be a completed lower hull,. shortly though as both track sets are nearly ready for painting!

I am going to go back to the Lowe/VK/Jagdpanther II at sometime - Time to do some desert lions and panthers as an alternative timeline builds!

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Posted by Bish on Monday, April 1, 2019 6:39 AM

No, the AH Lowe doesn't give you the option. But MR supplies both 105 and 128 barrels for the Lowe and they are both meant to fit the kit mantlet i believe. I used the 105 on mine and as i say, the MR metal barrel for the jagdpanther II (120mm) does fit the kit mantlet designed for the 105.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Monday, April 1, 2019 4:34 PM

Aber have produced these for the Lowe and VK kits.

http://www.aber.net.pl/detal,1488.html

http://www.aber.net.pl/detal,1476.html

Also, the Mr Modelbau 105 for the Lowe/VK fits in the kit mantlet with no issues. Also in the VK kit is a mantlet and 128mm barrel and Mr Modelbau 128 for the VK fits in that kit mantlet with no issues.

I'm going to pick up a couple of these kits and do some builds with different barrels as alternate timeline builds. Will also include the Panther II and Jagdpanther II kits too!

Nothing beats some big heavy metal panzer with a hinking great gun and muzzle brake sticking out the front!

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, April 1, 2019 9:46 PM

I just placed an order for the MR Modellbau Löwe barrel (128mm).

Worst case, I'll have to make the hole in the mantlet a bit larger or shim the barrel a bit...

Thanks for your help guys!

Despite all the freedom I got regarding the camo on this thing, I'm probably just going to paint it in solid gray as depicted in the WoT wallpaper. It looks really good in that color imo.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:33 AM

You could consider a RAL 6003 base coat and RAL 8017 disruptive pattern, or even an Afrika Korps paint job?

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 9:56 AM

I got plenty of what-if German tanks planned, so there are plenty of opportunities to mess around with camo patterns. That WoT wallpaper is honestly the main reason I bought the JP II, so I'll just replicate how it looks there.
You could consider what I'm going for here to be a trial vehicle I suppose?

One thing I do have to add are exhaust pipes. Amusing Hobby apparently based their kit exactly on the WoT wallpapers and the tank has no exhausts in that game.

I'm probably going to scratchbuild something similar to the sponson pipes on the Nashorn, since it has a similar engine setup.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 4:22 AM

I noticed that so what I did is simple, but can't be seen.

I had some standard pipes left over from a build and I modified them and stuck them underneath the side overhang above the tracks facing backwards and used the mesh panels to allow the fumes to escape.

the actual exhaust is hidden behind the side skirts, but they are there.

I do enjoy these "What If " kits as they give you some freedom to invent a timeline and camo patterns etc. It is a licence to do some messing about in a theatre of war and timeline using kits done from original and concept drawings of the time.

The Lowe was a series of drawings done as part of the competition for what became the Tiger II. There was the original concept drawing which is AH Lowe kit and another version which is AH's VK 7201 kit. Both these were done by Adler and had originally the 88 /L71 gun fitted. Hitler asked for a bigger gun so the 105mm with the perforated muzzle brake was specified with an option for a 128mm for the rear mounted VK variant. Along with the drawings was a submission for redesigned shorter breeches and recoil system for the 88, 105 and 128mm guns.

There also might have been a STUG variant with a 128mm /L68 fitted that was on the Lowe chassis, but looked very much like a Jagdpanther. In the archive records I have seen in Germany, this concept was discussed in a few letters and recorded in minutes from meetings, but I have not come across any concept drawings or sketches. Those might not have survived or even been done.

It does make for a fascinating area to work in and kudos to AH and Trumpeter to give us that opportunity!

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, April 21, 2019 11:33 AM

My Jagdpanther II just arrived and I checked out the kit part already. The MR barrel will require a bit of modification to get it to work, but it should be pretty easy to make it fit.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:37 PM

Looking forwards to seeing your solution. Should be a fun build

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