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Tamiya M41 - and Friend!

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Tamiya M41 - and Friend!
Posted by Real G on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 1:29 PM

A friend took a work gig in Japan, leaving behind a model that was planned to be used in our club display.  He asked me to build it for him, so I accepted.  It's an old Tamiya tank kit, so how hard can it be?

The plan is to keep the AMS/OCD to a minimum.  But me being me, I ordered AFV Club's injected tracks, as the kit's belt type tracks have zero detail on their insides.  I avoided the metal A/M tracks since this is a US tank with "live" tracks, so no sag.  The model will represent an ARVN tank from the Vietnam War.  Any pointers will be greatly appreciated, as I know basically nothing.

My friend had assembled and cleaned up the kit's gun barrel, so one tedious task has already been done!

Even so, I want to get this build across the finish line ASAP, so here to help me is...

WOODY!!!

This is Bandai's new assembly kit, which I started over the weekend while the guys were over for our monthly model get together.

He's molded in color, so requires only a minimum of detail painting.  I normally never abide by this concept and always prime and paint my kits, but this one will be different.  I'll finish him as the maker intended, with just a clear coat.  This is part of my attempt to get back on the saddle (pun intended) and start finishing all the kits lying around my room.  So work on Woody will continue as he helps me build my friend's model.

It's kind of like those people who need to use a hand puppet to communicate.  But unlike them, I KNOW I am nuts, so it's all good.  Stick out tongue  For those who chafe at this kind of silliness, relax, it's all for fun!  And modeling should be fun.  If it's just all rivet-rivet-rivet, where's the joy in that?

Why...so...serious?

 

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Posted by tomwatkins45 on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:01 PM

I completely agree. It's supposed to be fun, and if it's not, the pay ought to be a whole lot higher !

have fun,

Tom

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Posted by RBaer on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 4:07 PM

Ed Zachary, if it's not fun, do something else.

For a while.....

Re the M41, I built the same kit a while ago, and used it to practice ROK camo, before comitting paint to the M47 I was trying to do "right". I used the AFV Club one-piece tracks, made a mantlet cover from putty, clipped the front fenders, and did some texturing. I thinned the headlight guards, amybe addedd a couple of bits from the spares box but I think that's about all, and had a total blast. Plus side: I had $9 in the whole project (kit $5, tracks $4).

Apprentice rivet counter.

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 5:20 PM

Hmm, maybe I should have bought the AFV Club rubber band tracks.

Woody, what do you think?

"There's a snayke in mah boot!"

"Somebody's poisoned the water hole!"

"Ah think ya still got that AMS in ya, pardner!"

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Posted by RBaer on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 5:51 PM

They was cheep!

They look okay too, better than the kit tracks fo sho.

 IMG_0578 by Russel Baer, on Flickr

Apprentice rivet counter.

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:06 PM

...and less of a hassle to use!  I really have to learn to dial it back.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:43 PM

This one of the best starter tank kits. And if you go to Hobby Lobby with a 40% off coupon, they are regularly $17.99, but with coupon it's about $11.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:20 AM

The tracks, even lacking the inside details, can still be somewhat decent looking with some weathering.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:24 AM

Cheers to you and Woody!!! 

 

Don't mess with Woody... 

And nice work there RBaer and Mike! 


Funny, never built the Tamiya kit, I guess since I concentrate to Second World War and modern stuff it fell though the cracks in between. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:02 AM

It's a great kit to practice making your own weld beads with, Gam. It has a lot of room for extra welds all over it.

It's a simple, but fun kit. Also good practice for dressing up the .50 Cal. It's a basic block on a stick lol.

Turning this old kit into a good model, is just good old fashioned fun.

- Mike Brindos

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:11 AM

Gamera

Cheers to you and Woody!!! 

And nice work there RBaer and Mike! 


Funny, never built the Tamiya kit, I guess since I concentrate to Second World War and modern stuff it fell though the cracks in between. 

 

It's a fun kit that is easy to build. It looks like the stereotypical "US Army" tank. It is very cheap and is quite dated in detail. The US Army markings for the kit are rather odd. The 5th Armor Division was stationed at Camp Chaffee, Arkansas during the 1950s. The 5th was deactivated about the time Camp Chaffee became Fort Chaffee.

The markings are probably based off of a display tank since there aren't any company/platoon bumper numbers on it.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:23 AM

I always thought that the box illustration was kind of weird.

It shows the tank in operation, commander in the cupola. But the view is from the REAR with the turret rotated around and the travel lock for the barrel up.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:44 AM

Thanks guys, will have to pick one up. Very interesting history of the vehicle, seems it served all over the world. And recently read a history of General Walton Walker, one hell of a life story. 

Instead of detaling it I could go with a quick, cheap, and dirty build right now. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:54 AM
It was sunk by the PT-76 Soviet amphibious light tank. So we had to counter with a light tank that was amphibious. In comes the M551 Sheridan amphibious airborne light tank, goodbye Walker Bulldog.
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Posted by Real G on Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:38 PM

Thanks guys for the input!  Aftermarket is so prolific and easy to get these days, that I have become dependent on them for almost all my builds.  Back in the 1970s there was a dearth of A/M, so it was all DIY.  Funny how all those kits got built anyway.  Smile

Aside from the tracks, I have decided any mods will be DIY.  I plan on thinning the headlight guards, adding the missing vision blocks to the driver's position, and making the mantlet cover (but NOT from the bags the kit sprues came in).  I'll use the box art for reference to add any further details like the stamped ribs on the side of the hull and periscope guard on the turret.  Yeah, it's weird that the box art shows a crewed tank with the turret traversed to the rear in the travelling position.

I also plan on using the included figures to make a new TC in a slightly more interesting pose than the one provided.  Maybe not a raging dude firing an M16 from the hip while screaming and tossing a grenade (Stick out tongue) but at least more animated.  Maybe.  No promises.

The kit, once completed, will be turned over to my buddy "The Evil Mad Cao" (our resident MiG mud master) for scratch-n-dent/weathering.  And then I'll turn my attention to repainting my PT-76 as an NVA machine.

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:43 PM

Oh, as an aside, the Tamiya M41 kit holds a place in my personal model lore.  A friend had one that was motorized, and we frequently tore up his back yard to perform "tank torture tests".  His M41 was the fastest and most reliable running tank any of us ever had, never threw a track, and ran UNDERWATER - once.  The motor got messed up, but it ran repeatedly under the muddy puddles like some kind of crazy submarine all afternoon!

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, August 16, 2019 10:41 AM

Tangent follows: my best running motorized tank was the Tamiya Matilda. The design of the running gear kept the track on and unlike tanks with open sprockets, it kept sand and debris from going inside the lower hull where the gearbox and batteries were.

Second best was the M113.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, August 16, 2019 11:08 AM

Rob;

   You made me laugh! Years ago I R.Cd an M-113 from Tamiya. The thing floated like a slightly drunken boat! No water in the running gear though .It finally met it's end .

    Squished with some other stuff when movng to another, bigger Boat. Box slipped, fell almost to the water, between the boats. Boats came together with a Terrifying crunch.  Oh Well! T.B.       P.S. The guy who made the crunch wake found out about his damage in a No Wake Zone. He bought me new kits to replace the broken ones, though. I think the Game warden told him. He was a fellow model builder too.

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Friday, August 16, 2019 11:59 AM

Yes, that box art does kinda throw one off. As I remember (or not), the old Renwal kit of the Bulldog had basically the same pic. Same angle from the right rear. Don't remember if the CO was in the turret in the picture though.

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, August 16, 2019 12:23 PM

Real G

Oh, as an aside, the Tamiya M41 kit holds a place in my personal model lore.  A friend had one that was motorized, and we frequently tore up his back yard to perform "tank torture tests".  His M41 was the fastest and most reliable running tank any of us ever had, never threw a track, and ran UNDERWATER - once.  The motor got messed up, but it ran repeatedly under the muddy puddles like some kind of crazy submarine all afternoon!

That brought back a memory!

No RC...but my younger brother and I used to battle our Tamiya 1/48 motorized tanks in the garden patch in our back yard. My Swedish 'S' tank--totally unplanned--demonstrated the ability to zip through puddles like a jet-ski. I think the hull was just 'boat-like' enough to plane through without sucking in water.

Both our AV's eventually fell prey to 'heavy artillery'...in the form of a .22 pellet gun. Loads of fun!

Greg

 George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, August 16, 2019 12:52 PM

Years ago I was in with a group of war gamers who built motorized 1/35 Tamiya kits, either American or German.

These games basically came down to which side would over run the positions of the others. Starting at maximum pellet gun range, the tanks advanced one side at a time so that the opposing engineers would be able to clear the range.

This all involved a several-day camp out on the desert.

I helped build, armor and engineer the AFVs but certainly never was in the game.

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Posted by Real G on Friday, August 16, 2019 12:57 PM

Heh heh, fun stories all!  Weren't motorized models so cool?

Back at the M41, I noticed the separately molded guards for the commander's and gunner's forward facing periscopes were really thick, which impeded fit.  Woody points out the culprits.

The parts had their edges beveled to "cheat".

Woody also poined out that the left exhaust fouled the body, so a small notch was cut into the exhaust backplate to allow it to slip in place.

And the dreary work of cleaning up the road wheels has been done.

Despite only having a few wheels compared to a Tiger or LVTP5 (or Objekt 279!), I'd forgot how boring the work was.

I'd better continue work on Woody too, as he lacks legs at the moment.  Surprise

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, August 16, 2019 1:33 PM

Those periscope covers are a perfect place for weld beads. In reference pictures there are double stacked welds along the sides.

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Posted by disastermaster on Friday, August 16, 2019 1:37 PM

Real G

Good for you. My kind of post.

Quite innovative and entertaining.

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, August 16, 2019 1:46 PM

Welds! So much fun on this build. A few pictures for reference if you care to go for it.

That build gave me a TON of weld beads practice. I've gotten pretty good at them since lol.

- Mike Brindos

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Posted by RBaer on Friday, August 16, 2019 5:50 PM

I nominate Woody for "Presenter of the Year".

And Mike, yeah, I did a LOT of weld beads on mine too, along with quite a bit of texturing.

Funny, I'm getting a bit nostalgic for an old Tamiya build, even though I probably do two or three a year.

Apprentice rivet counter.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, August 16, 2019 11:00 PM

I noticed the weld beads alright. Looks great with those tracks you added to yours.

- Mike Brindos

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, August 17, 2019 1:07 AM

RBaer

I nominate Woody for "Presenter of the Year".

And Mike, yeah, I did a LOT of weld beads on mine too, along with quite a bit of texturing.

Funny, I'm getting a bit nostalgic for an old Tamiya build, even though I probably do two or three a year.

 

True that!

Here's my alltime favorite

and this one

I plan some day to crack out the Willys Jeep and do a '50's era  "Follow Me" truck painted bright red with a checkered flag on the rear bumper.

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Posted by Real G on Saturday, August 17, 2019 1:51 PM

My all-time fav Tamiya armor kit is the Chieftain (sorta) Mk5, followed by the M113, 8-Ton Halftrack w/ 20 mm Flakvierling, and the T-34/76 1942 Model.  The last one gets my vote for “Most Accessories Included In A Tamiya Kit”.

GM, I’m sure the 1943 model came with the same load of fun bits yeah?  When I opened my kit, my brain almost overflowed seeing all that extra stuff in the box!  I think the only other time I remember feeling that way was when Revell came out with their first 1/72 F-16 in the red/white/blue prototype scheme.  I filled all the pylons with tanks and bombs, and STILL had ordnance left over.  Heady days.

After mowing the lawn, I think I’ll switch on the A/C and continue the build.  Woodie too, as it is awkward holding him in place while trying to take photos!  I’d better check his boots for snakes.  Stick out tongue

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, August 19, 2019 11:26 AM

Nice work on the weld seams! 

Now I'm picturing Woody wearing a mask and handling a welding rig... 

Or maybe he'll just get Buzz, I'm sure his helmet can dim and he can probably laser-weld as well. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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