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Dragon 1/35 "El Alamein" Sherman Kit 6447 Question

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Dragon 1/35 "El Alamein" Sherman Kit 6447 Question
Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 2:46 PM

I have the kit in question and I have one question.  What makes this kit an "El Alamein" Sherman?  The box art and the parts indicate an M4 or M4A1 with a cast hull, but what makes this a model of a British M4?

Thanks!

Bill

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:00 PM

The kit is an initial production M4A1 (cast hull) Direct Vision with M3 VVSS and the early M34 mantlet, along with British peculiar mods- blanket box on the turret rear and water can rack on the fender.

 

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LSM

 

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:56 PM

So, if I were to delete the blanket box and water can rack, are you saying that I can make it an American M4A1?

Bill

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    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 5:36 PM

warshipguy

So, if I were to delete the blanket box and water can rack, are you saying that I can make it an American M4A1?

Bill

 

Pretty much. IIRC, one of the original shipments of Sherman’s for the 8th Army was torpedoed and sunk by a U-Boat during the build up for El Alamein. So US 1st Armored Division gave up a portion of theirs as replacements. When 1st Armored Division landed in North Africa during Torch, they had a mix of M3 Lee and M4 Sherman Mediums as a result. Mechanically, for logistics purpose, they shared common engine, drivetrain, and suspension components, so it was not a big stretch.

The turret blanket box and fender water can racks were added by 8th Army workshops in Egypt upon arrival. Other mods to some British Shermans were a pair of smoke bomb mortars on the turret side. If the kit has them, and you plan on making it American, leave those off. Also the British did not often mount the commander’s M2 .50 cal. Whereas US tanks did almost always.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 5:44 PM

Oh yes, leave off the sun shade rack mounts on the sand shields. Those were a British fitting to allow deceptive canvas cab and bed tarps to be fitted to make the tanks look like trucks (lorries).

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 5:49 PM

Stik,

Thanks! You are confirming that which I had suspected.  I appreciate it  very much!

Bill

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:45 PM

You can print out the instructions from the previous boxing of the kit.  That ensures you're not adding any of the British features.

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10080036

 

regards,

Jack

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:00 AM

Jack,

Thanks!  That helps!

Bill

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    February 2011
Posted by GreySnake on Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:19 PM
If you haven’t built one of the Dragon Sherman’s before there’s some issues and fit problems. The Firefly VC by them fought me for most of the build. Here was a page I used that helped me finally get the model built.   

https://paulbudzik.com/tools-techniques/Sherman%20Construction/sherman-construction.html

  • Member since
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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, February 28, 2020 9:42 AM

That is a very thorough review!  Thank you!

I noticed that you mentioned Tasca kits.  I have looked in various online hobby shops but have been unable to find them.  Can anyone tell me a source for Tasca kits? I would love to try them.

Bill

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Posted by GreySnake on Friday, February 28, 2020 9:56 AM
Tasca changed names to Asuka a few years back. 
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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, February 28, 2020 11:24 AM

Thanks! I'll check them out.

Bill

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, February 28, 2020 11:30 AM

HobbyLink Japan has a pretty good selection of their products at good prices. Depending on how you select your order to be shipped it can be a little expensive or take a while to get your order though. 

https://www.hlj.com/search/go?cnt=30&isort=globalpop&lbc=hobbylink&method=and&p=Q&ts=custom&uid=252831640&w=*&af=selectscale%3a135scale%20selectmanufacturer%3aasuka

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by GreySnake on Friday, February 28, 2020 12:20 PM
Sprue Brothers has a few Sherman’s in stock.

https://store.spruebrothers.com/searchresults.asp?Search=Asuka&Submit=

  • Member since
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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, February 28, 2020 1:10 PM

Thanks!  I just ordered ASU35036 1:35 Asuka US Medium Tank M4A3(76)W Sherman "Thunderbolt IV" from Sprue Brothers.  I appreciate your help!

Bill

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