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AFV Club 1/35 AEC Matador British Army Artillery Tractor

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Posted by Dodgy on Sunday, February 7, 2021 4:05 AM

I'm with John Harold. It's looking terrific!

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:15 AM

I think it's worth the effort. It's lookin' mighty good, Harold. 

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Posted by Sergeant on Friday, February 5, 2021 11:55 PM

I made a little progress on the camouflage painting using masking tape and hand-painting, but it is very slow and time consuming.

Harold

  

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Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:27 PM

Dodgy

Harold, I don't really know what to say to that. I'm guessing that a number of blokes you trained were destined to become casualties.

 

Training soldiers to use badly designed equipment in jungle warfare was the worst job I had in the military. The article talked about most of the hazards, except one. Climbing in and out of rice paddies and streams with 50 pounds on your back and snakes everywhere. Vietnam has almost as many deadly snakes as Australia.

Harold

  

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Posted by Dodgy on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:42 PM

Harold, I don't really know what to say to that. I'm guessing that a number of blokes you trained were destined to become casualties.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 7:37 PM

Dodgy

In 1943 the average life expectancy of bomber command air crew was 3 weeks. Sobering thought isn't it.

PS. I'm glad you both enjoyed the Aussie language lesson. Just a bit of fun. We also have a habbit of speaking to our mates as if they were our worst enemies. It tends to confuse visitors though. And John, if you ever come to Oz, ignore people who tell you to watch out for the 'drop bears'.

 

Rob, you know I was in the Navy from 1963 to 1969 and like you served on a guided missile destroyer. After I finished six years in the Navy the Vietnam War was still going, so I joined the Army as a Radio Sergeant. One of my jobs was training radio operators. The Army said their life expectancy in a Vietnam combat situation was three-minutes. The enemy knew that every radio operator has an antenna and is near the person in charge. So, they deliberately went after the man with a radio.

Update: After I said 3-minutes I decided to do a fact check and this is what I found.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/radiomen-life-expectancy-vietnam-war/

Harold

  

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 7:19 PM

Dodgy

Awsome info mate. Have the RCAF any records?

 

There is a few records like flight logs and target information that have been declassified, but I am betting their is more when I contact the RCAF Veterans organization for help. I know of at least three service metals Uncle Harold and his crew members would have earned before his death. The thing about these air crews of Bomber Command is they were so busy toward the end of the war under Air Marshal Sir Arthur Harris they didn't have time to get into their dress uniform.

Harold

 

  

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Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 6:31 PM

In 1943 the average life expectancy of bomber command air crew was 3 weeks. Sobering thought isn't it.

PS. I'm glad you both enjoyed the Aussie language lesson. Just a bit of fun. We also have a habbit of speaking to our mates as if they were our worst enemies. It tends to confuse visitors though. And John, if you ever come to Oz, ignore people who tell you to watch out for the 'drop bears'.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 6:25 PM

Awsome info mate. Have the RCAF any records?

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Monday, February 1, 2021 11:29 PM

Yes. Thanks Rob. That was a fun, informative lesson in Aussie lingo.

I felt privileged to be able to visit the Bomber Command memorial in London in March 2019. It's important to remember the losses that RAF Bomber Command suffered along with those of the U.S. 8th Air Force during the campaign over Europe in WW2. I'll always try to think of their sacrifice for we who came after.

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Posted by keavdog on Monday, February 1, 2021 10:39 PM

Sad to have lost folks, but great to have historical pieces like that.  I have some things from my English Great Grandfather who died at the 3rd battle of Ypres in WWI and my Grandfather who was English coastal artillery(gunnery?) in WWII. 

I really like this project - from the vehichle to the paint scheme.  I've had the Tamiya quad gun tractor and  25 pounder in the stash for years wanting to do this camo so please, lots of pics on the technique!

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, February 1, 2021 10:25 PM

Thank you, Rob for an introduction to real Aussie lingo.

On a more serious side, military history is one of my interests. Below is a picture I recently found of my Uncle Harold who I was named after. Like John he was in the Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force. Many American, Australian and Canadian airmen were trained in Canada by the RCAF to fill ranks in the Royal Air Force during the early years of World War 2. Uncle Harold was one of them.

He was born in 1918 on a large dairy farm (2,000 acers) in central Missouri. He wanted to be a pilot more than anything, but at the start of World War 2 the United States did not enter the war, so Uncle Harold went to stay with relatives in Nova Scotia, Canada and he joined the RCAF. There is no information about his training or even when he left Canada, but history books indicate the RCAF training lasted about two years. Working backwards from what we do know he would be about 22 years old when he received his wings.

We believe that he arrived in England in late 1940, or early 1941 as a Flight Sergeant Pilot, just in time for the North Africa Campaign I imagine. Uncle Harold wrote his family that he was a fighter pilot. Around 1944 we found records that show he had been transferred to 153 Squadron of Bomber Command (volunteer night bombers) and was now a Flying Officer Lieutenant and Pilot of Lancaster Bombers. Uncle Harold and three of his crew died in Laon, France 17 December 1944 on return from a mission over Ulm, Germany, he was 26 years old.

I never met my Uncle, but I lived in his house and heard my Mother and Grandmother talk about him often. Uncle Harold's generation have all passed away now, but I plan to write to the Air Ministry of the RAF and request as much information about him as they will provide. I have seen his grave at the Canadian War Cemetery in Dieppe, France. I also joined a group in Britain a few years ago call 153 Squadron Association in the hope I would meet someone who had a picture of my Uncle. A few days ago his picture mysteriously showed up on the Internet with supporting documents. I have no idea how or why it suddenly appeared.

Harold

 

  

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, February 1, 2021 7:23 PM

g'day Harro and Johno. So here's a few Aussie terms.

Blowfly - dunny budgie

dunny - toilet

budgie - a small native bird that has proved to be very popular and is often bred in captivity.

stoush - a fight

blue or rangar - a redhead. a blue is also a fight.

strewth - an exclamation of suprise

dingo - a native wild dog, yellow in colour. - a coward or a backstabber

the Never Never - the outback. A reference to the magic and mystery of Aboriginal beliefs.

The Dreamtime - Aboriginal view of their history and beliefs.

Beyond the black stump - the middle of nowhere

She'll be right mate - it'll all be ok

Sheila - a female

Drongo - an idiot, also a whacker

Wanker - a person who thinks they know everything

Pub - the most wonderful place on God's earth. Where a bloke can get a beer.

Bloody and bugger - two of the most useful words in the English language. i.e. The blooder bugger ran of with me sheep, or, bloody hell, I'll kill that bugger on day, or bugger me! The last is a statement of amazement.

Digger - an Aussie soldier, also shortened to 'Dig'.

Ginger beer - *** or engineer

Turret Head - tankie

Blue Orchid, or Zoomie - airforce

Pongo - soldier Where the army goes, the pong goes.........

Pusser - sailor. No, it's not what you think. Its' the family name of a prominent ship's chandlers from Lord Nelson's days. i.e. pusser's issue.

dead horse - tomatoe sauce

Walkabout - to take off with no particular destination in mind

Fair Dinkum, or just Dinkum - the honest truth

The good oil, as above.

Furphy - a rumour. Named after the manufacturer of a water cart that was used on Gallipoli. As the cart went from point to point where soldiers gathered to have their canteens filled, the rumours went with the cart. What you blokes would call scuttlebut.

Pom - a person from Britain

Septic Tank - Yank. Sorry bout that, but.... This is an educational program.

Walloper - a copper/policeman. Also known as a 'jack'

Well boys, theres a few things for you to ponder from the land down under. I hope you get a good laugh!

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Monday, February 1, 2021 7:01 PM

Sophistication is overrated. Keep doing what you're doing. We love it.

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, February 1, 2021 6:27 PM

Thanks mate. I like to be positive and have a bit of fun. I also love our slang, but a lot of it is falling into disuse as we become more 'sophisticated', so I make an effort to use the old sayings when I can.

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, February 1, 2021 6:24 PM

Ok Harro, I'll give you and Johno a bit of a rundown on some Aussie slang, but fist of all I've got to let my chooks out, so stay tuned. Oh, 'chooks', means chickens/hens.

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Monday, February 1, 2021 5:54 PM

Dodgy, don't worry. I love the interchange between you and Harold. Never been down under, but know a little Aussie slang. You keep being you! 

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, February 1, 2021 4:42 PM

Dodgy

Sorry mate. I was being a bit of a smartaleck and put in a bit of Aussie bull. A 'cobber' is a mate, a good friend in our slang. We also like to whack an 'o' on the end of everything, so over here Harold becomes 'Harro'. 'Old' is often attached to things with no intended reference to the person's age, more to do with how long they've been friends, or as a term of endearment. i.e. G'day old mate. Sorry if I caused any confusion. It was the comment from your mate John about missing the humour, so I thought I'd chuck in something Paul Hogan like.

 

Rob I knew it was Aussie humor. I just didn't know what it meant. So I looked it up... I need a better Aussie dictionary don't I Mate.

Harold

  

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, February 1, 2021 4:21 PM

Sorry mate. I was being a bit of a smartaleck and put in a bit of Aussie bull. A 'cobber' is a mate, a good friend in our slang. We also like to whack an 'o' on the end of everything, so over here Harold becomes 'Harro'. 'Old' is often attached to things with no intended reference to the person's age, more to do with how long they've been friends, or as a term of endearment. i.e. G'day old mate. Sorry if I caused any confusion. It was the comment from your mate John about missing the humour, so I thought I'd chuck in something Paul Hogan like.

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM

M1GarandFan

I'm doing well, Harold. Hope you are too.

Boy, the lorry and the 40mm bofors look really great! I finished up Takom's jeep and trailer last year and then, inspired by your 3 inch AT gun and the 40mm, I got and am working on AFV Club's 105mm M2A1 howitzer. Since it's still not painting season here, I also got Tamiya's M8 Greyhound to work on. I'll have plenty to paint when I finally get to it. 

Still watching your project and anticipating a wonderful finish.

 

Thank you, John and Rob. John I would like to build the AFV Club M2A1, 105mm too. I want to join it with a 'Deuce and a half' as they were called during Vietnam. AFV Club recently came out with an M35A2, 2 1/2 Ton Cargo Truck #AF35004 that was often used to tow the M2A1 Howitzer.

I made some progress with the Matador camouflage painting. I finished the S.C.C. 14 British blue-black (Tamiya Nato Black) paint on the undercarriage and top of the tractor, so I am ready to do the sides, front and back.

I practiced making circles with stencils, masking tape, masking putty, stipple form brushes and paint brushes to create the 'Mickey Mouse' style scallops that will look like 'The Old Lady' camouflage pictured below. Every method I tried has issues, but I think the best method will be hand painting. It is the most challenging for me because I am not a good free-hand painter, but it will look more realistic than the other methods I have tried.

Rob, I don't know if the matador is a 'cobber', but I certainly feel like one some days. I will be 75 soon and I am not ready to be an old cobber yet.

Harold

  

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Posted by Dodgy on Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:48 PM

Looking great Harold. Even if the painting doesn't necessarily work out 100%, the washes and weathering will bring it all together. I reckon she'l come out a right beaut cobber!

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:35 PM

I'm doing well, Harold. Hope you are too.

Boy, the lorry and the 40mm bofors look really great! I finished up Takom's jeep and trailer last year and then, inspired by your 3 inch AT gun and the 40mm, I got and am working on AFV Club's 105mm M2A1 howitzer. Since it's still not painting season here, I also got Tamiya's M8 Greyhound to work on. I'll have plenty to paint when I finally get to it. 

Still watching your project and anticipating a wonderful finish.

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Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:25 AM

M1GarandFan

Actually,  I think we all missed that humor. I hang on all of your words. Keep up the conversation!

 

Hello John, how are you doing my friend?

I finished the S.C.C. 15 British Olive Drab painting, so tomorrow is the real test for me. I have practiced flattening MIG Masking Putty with my wife's rolling pin, then cutting scallops with a hobby knife to create the 'Mickey Mouse' style of camouflage pattern that I am attempting to reproduce from the picture of 'The Old Lady' shown below.

The masking putty will be applied in sections over the British Olive Drab paint along the sides, front and back of the tractor body. Then all of the exposed surface, top and bottom will receive one or two light coats of Tamiya Nato Black to represent the S.C.C. 14 Blue Black color used for camouflage in 1944 Northern Europe.

Harold

 

 

 

  

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:49 PM

Actually,  I think we all missed that humor. I hang on all of your words. Keep up the conversation!

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Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:43 AM

Dodgy

Very funny mate. I could tell you some stories about crocs. Some of them might even be true!

 

I am glad you are back, I missed your down under style of humor Mate.

Harold

  

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Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 9:13 PM

Very funny mate. I could tell you some stories about crocs. Some of them might even be true!

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:26 PM

Dodgy

I haven't been on the site for some time Harold, so I'm doing some catch up. (Haven't been doing much at the bench either for that matter). Your matador is looking fantastic. Now I'll have a look at your Bofors build. Great work old mate.

 

Great to hear from you Dodgy. It has been so long I thought you went 'walk about' and a big croc eat you.

Harold

  

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Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:43 AM

I haven't been on the site for some time Harold, so I'm doing some catch up. (Haven't been doing much at the bench either for that matter). Your matador is looking fantastic. Now I'll have a look at your Bofors build. Great work old mate.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by Sergeant on Saturday, January 23, 2021 10:40 PM

Gamera

Looks pretty darn good to me Harold. How much more do you have left to go?

 

Thank you, Cliff. I finished the cab assembly and primer coat today. Tomorrow I should be ready for an exterior coat of S.C.C. 15 British O.D. I will probably only need two light coats since the top and lower part of the vehicle will be S.C.C. 14. For S.C.C. 14 Blue Black I will use Tamiya XF-69 Nato Black. The disruptive camouflage pattern and decals will be like the picture below of 'The Old Lady'.

Originally, I did not plan to use the 'Mickey Mouse' pattern, but Mike Starmer gave me information about the pattern that changed my mind. The War Office of the British government in World War 2 issued a directive to paint vehicles like the Matador with a foliage pattern; however, AEC and other manufactures could not mass produce a foliage pattern so the paint crews, which were mostly women came up with and alternative that was applied in the factory with circle templates. Thousands of British military vehicles had this pattern in one form or another during the early years of the war.

 

  

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