ok spell it out. rust for a newbie

It's neat to see all the different ways people have of showing rust, even to the point of using actual rust!

I use both the pastel method and also, for things like mufflers, exhaust pipes, etc. a highly thinned wash of Testors enamel Rust that I keep in a mixing jar and apply in varying coats and places depending on the effect I want to produce. Combine it with washes of Gunmetal and it can produce a nice metallic, dark/rusty look without looking like it spent a week in salt water.

one of the simplest ways I found from a model site, was to use pastel chalk,
orange colour.

Just simply tough up the areas you want to rust, around bolts, shackles, tow hooks etc..

looked fine to me

Dave

neone ever heard of Instant Rust also??? comes in a set of two bottles. One's a bottle of tiny iron particles hung in a solution, and the other is some sort of lite acid. just brush on the instant iron, wait a day or so for it to dry, then apply the solvent. you can apply thesolvent several times to build up and increase the amount of rust. I've used it on several occasions and it worked great.

bob collignon used it on his sherman in FSM a couple years ago. if you dont like the color of the rust, u can use a wash to darken it, or just apply more solvent to brighten it. even though its very useful, I also use other methods to create rust. sometimes, the rust needs to be lighter, and a bit differnent in color.

so to everyne else who had tricks up their sleeves to share, thanks!! they'll really help add to the tricks I know now.

that is awesome. thanks for the idea. i have steel wool in a jar right now and i am still waiting for the replacement part. scratch building it sounds really good right now.

joe

We were fishing one time off an old dock and i decided to go swimming. When i got out i noticed a pretty rusty bar about a foot long. i have used that for 8 years know. just get some sand paper and scrape some off.

cool. will post pics when i get it done.

joe

thundergod, the steel wool idea sounds interesting. what's better than rust for rust?

You could also try this one. http://www.tankfive.net/pagine%20inglesi/tips&tricks/rust.htm

thankyou my friends i am looking forward to trying some of these methods.

joe

QUOTE: Originally posted by phroosh I use a very selective wash of burnt sienna, and sometimes a dry brush with various shades of hull red. I stole the wash idea fair and square off Michael VK. Matt

Woohoo! My first ever reference!!

The formula I'm using now works using the following procedure:

1: Paint the bare metal colour gun metal
2: Use a medium wash of burnt sienna oil
3: Apply dark red pastel
4: Apply orange pastel
5: Apply yellow pastel

As you go along use less and less of the pastels.. Say 1part red, 2/3rds orange and 1/3rd yellow. Apply while the wash is still damp.. It looks great.. If you want rust streaks take a TINY dot of burnt sienna oil paint and brush in a downward stroke a thinner (in my case I use turpentine) loaded brush. Repeat this to thin out the rust streak, but don't reapply thinner. I can't remember where I got this recipe from though..

I use a very selective wash of burnt sienna, and sometimes a dry brush with various shades of hull red.

I stole the wash idea fair and square off Michael VK.

Matt

Mike and Larry,
Thanks for the info, that's a keeper.

QUOTE: Originally posted by renarts ok joe. R.u.s.t. f.o.r. a. n.e.w.b.i.e....Rust for a newbie. (sorry, I couldn't resist)

QUOTE: One of the things that I was told was that the germans were pretty regular about wiping down their exhaust pipes etc. Rust is detrimental and rusted things give out. When you are not in a position to be able to get replacement parts on a regular basis you take care of things. They last longer. So don't over rust German equipment. (The source is from an ex SS tanker so I hold it as pretty reliable info)

I've read the same thing. One of the German experts (forget the guy's name) was at a modelling convention and he said that the Germans kept their tanks pretty spiffy if at all possible.

He also said that they painted over scratches of discolorations due to battle damage, chipping zimmerit, etc. And he claimed that dunkelgelb does not fade, as it is made purely with natural pigments and these apparently never fade. Interesting stuff, and food for thought.

thanks all. i will be trying a few of the techniques.

joe

ok joe. R.u.s.t. f.o.r. a. n.e.w.b.i.e....Rust for a newbie. (sorry, I couldn't resist)

Paint your base color that you normally would.(If it was painted at the factory) . Do your wash (what ever color you would normaly do to make your detail pop out. Then I take my orange pastel chalk dust and "paint" or brush that on. It gives that rusty texture and when you blow the excess off it looks like oxidation rust. (or dwights paint mix of rust color and talc works equally to texture). If you just use the orange pastels (or wait till the paint dries) then go over the connection points with black pastel. Then I do my final with pencil lead and when its all said and done, you have that good rust on metal look and it doesn't look overdone.

One of the things that I was told was that the germans were pretty regular about wiping down their exhaust pipes etc. Rust is detrimental and rusted things give out. When you are not in a position to be able to get replacement parts on a regular basis you take care of things. They last longer. So don't over rust German equipment. (The source is from an ex SS tanker so I hold it as pretty reliable info) While there may have been some from heat etc. I don't think you'd see thse bright orange exhaust pipes that pop up on o many vehicles. Go out and look at your own construction equipment that run on diesel etc. It may not be factory new but it certainly not the bright orange manifolds either.

Mike

All good techniques above Joe. They pretty much covered what I've used. Try a couple of them out and see what you like. Some work better for different effects too.

Eric

There is always the real thing aswell....if you put a steel wool scrub pad in a container of water for 3 to6 days it will rust you just swish it around in the water and the you are left with rusty water. Looks great, I have personally not tried it as of yet, my buddy told me that is how he does it and showed me the results.....rust.

For thin rust, I use tamiya acrylics...dark brown mixed with some flat black...mixed with a little metallic grey.

Metallic grey has some little grains that when coated with darkenned dark brown looks really like rust.

Dark Red Brown Soft Pastels is what I use. Spread it on with a Soft Brush, Than use a thicker stiffer brush to brush it into the armor, and the excess off.

Take a look at my armor below, I rusted some of the spots where water might Sit for a period of time.

http://www.andysmodels.com/KVII.html

abastyr

That should work pretty good Joe. The best rust I have done was an accident.