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Posted by fightnjoe on Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:44 PM
that is a great story. you have a keepsake that is priceless.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:53 PM
Thanks guys. I was pretty chuffed to get it and had to share.

Nick, been over 'A Bridge Too Far' many times....I'll need to buy a new copy as the one I have is gotta be 25 years old and is looking a little sad. I have been reading up a lot about Arnhem and Market Garden. You will be surprised the number of books (and the number of discrepancies in them) out there.

Another great book for British vehicle markings in NW Europe DDay onward (and how they were applied and the reasoning behind it) is 'The British Soldier Volume 2' by Jean Bouchery printed by Histore & Collections. Even lists out the divisions and units attached, but not as detailed as to where they fought.

Chris (M1)if you like escape stories see if you can get a hold of 'The Colditz Story' and 'The Latter Days at Colditz' by PR Reid (oldies but goodies) or 'Escape from Germany 1939-45' by Aiden Crawley. Okay they are about fly boys, but still good reading.

Chris (LQ). It is in pretty good shape. The original white paint has yellowed and the Shellac varnish has crazed in places, probably due to it being kept close to a heating source over the years, but it is perfect otherwise.

Anyway, here's a story my Grandmother told me about Pop:

He was working in a factory, being paid in food as he had no ration book ,papers, etc, having escaped from the hospital. One day he a few other guys were playing cards and having lunch around a card table that was just a wooden crate, when some German troops burst in to check the place over. Knowing he had no papers or anything, Pop managed to get behind the Germans and slip out the door, and one of the other workers sat in his place so no one would notice.

Papers were checked after the factory was fairly well turned over, but finding nothing the Germans left. The sighs of relief must have been audible up the street, 'cause the crate they were using as a table actually held the tyre punching caltrops they had been making foir the resistance to use against the Germans.

Pop saw the funny side, but my gran apparently nearly dropped on the spot when Pop told her.
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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:44 PM
Great story and a one-of-a-kind tank to boot!

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 Eric 

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Posted by RAF120 on Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:40 PM
Thanks for sharing your story with us.
If you find out any more, please update us. I would love to know more.
Trevor Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:27 PM
Petbat, That is completely awsome... That is certainly a priceless treasure. Such a story. I would be cool if you could maybe make some kind of a manuscript on a plaque describing the history as a display... But guard it well my friend its one of a kind...
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:47 PM
I've just read a couple good books on the resistance in Netherlands. I love POW stories and resistance stories!!!
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Posted by lizardqing on Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:37 PM
Very cool Peter. What an honor to recieve that and it looks to be great shape even though it being as old as it is. Good luck on your research.
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Posted by shermanfreak on Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:03 AM
Great story Peter. That is one piece of armour you can truly treasure.

Thanks for sharing with us.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:31 AM
Thanks for sharing this with us.
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Posted by wildwilliam on Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:30 AM
very interesting, Peter!
you are fortunate to have this heirloom.
hope you can find out more about its history.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:27 AM
Petbat try the Book a Bridge to far by Cornelius Ryan if you haven't already great index and glossary there might be some info you could find(just a thought)
Nick
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Posted by Build22 on Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:54 AM


Great story, Petbat


You have a nice keepsake there


Jim [IMG]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:47 AM
I can't help either Peter, but that is a great story, and I can understand how much you treasure it. Good luck.

The fact your Grandfather was unwilling to discuss the war is quite common, I think. Both my Grandfathers (now deceased) served and trying to find out about them is a nightmare! Dad said his Father would just say, "You don't need to know, son."

Matt

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:53 AM
That's an amazing story. I don't have anything to add to your search for information unfortunately, but I wish you all the best of luck.
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I thought that I was the first ..... (updated)
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:29 AM
….armour modeller in my family but it seems my Maternal Grandfather built a tank model back in 1944!

My Grandfather was in the Dutch Infantry at the outbreak of WW2. He was shot in the lung defending an airfield and was hospitalised as a result. He lost the lung, but recovered enough to escape from the hospital before the Germans could round up all the nearly recovered POW’s. He managed to sneak his way back home to Aarle-Rixtel (East of Eindhoven/SSW of Arnhem) and hid from the German’s for the rest of the 5 yrs of the war. He had a day job in a factory and a night job helping the Resistance. Unfortunately he did not like to talk about his experiences and as he died 7 years ago the opportunity has passed.

My Grandmother saw me reading a book on Arnhem and Operation Market Garden, and seeing my real interest began to tell me what actually happened then, and some of the stories of what she knew my grandfather got up to (he didn’t tell her much so as not to frighten her).

Anyway, shortly after the end of Market-Garden my Grandfather, a carpenter by trade, decided to make a cigarette box to commemorate the liberation of the Dutch (at least in the southern part of the country) and his freedom to walk in the open again. This is the end result.





The cigarette box was a representation of a British Tank and has an inscription ‘25 September’44’ painted inside the lid (the large square under the turret comes away), that being the day that this part of the Netherlands was considered liberated. Before they emigrated here to Australia, my Grandparents gave away those things they could not bring with them, one of them being this tank. The relative that eventually received it recently died, and the other relatives sent it back to my Grandmother. She has now given it to me, and is now one of my most treasured possessions.

To the best of my investigations, the tank may be loosely based on a Cromwell of the Guards Armoured division attached to XXX Corps of the Second Army – the white cross on blue shield on the front being the colour reversal of the second Army’s Blue cross on white shield with upraised sword in the middle of the cross. (The red white and blue flag on the left is the Dutch National flag and not a unit designation.) This assumption would fit in with units in the vicinity of Eindhoven during liberation in September 1944.

If anyone can give me a lead onto other possible units or a specific regiment, I would appreciate it.
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