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Abrams M1, M1A1, M1A1HA, M1A2 What's the Dif?

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Abrams M1, M1A1, M1A1HA, M1A2 What's the Dif?
Posted by ridleusmc on Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:49 AM
Hey all,

I've decided on doing an M1A1HA USMC for my next project. I was just wondering how the "HA" differs from M1A1's and M1A2's. I know that the M1 had a 105mm rifled main gun, and I know that M1A1's have a 120mm smoothbore. But I don't know a darn thing about M1A1HA or the M1A2.

Thanks all,
Chris
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:14 PM
On th HA the tracks were changed and uramium deplated armor added, The A2 there was a software upgrade and one other thing that sites up front on the turret it is square on the marines and rounded on others. I cant remember the name at htis time, I also believe the HA stands for heavy armor. Rob will bealong soon Im sure to help out alot more.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 19, 2004 1:39 PM
There were 3 blowout panels on the M1, and only 2 on the M1A1 and A2. On the A1 there is a low round plate where the A2's mounted the Commander's Independant Thermal Viewer in front of the loaders hatch. The commanders hatch and vision blocks are different and the as TG said, the tracks are different. There are lots of internal upgrades but that doesn't show. Are you working in 1/72? If so the Revell kit is very good. Try this link for more details. http://www.ontheway.us/articles/abramscomp.htm
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, June 19, 2004 3:39 PM
We started out with the XM1 and then the M1 was fielded. Based on feedback from the troops in the field, certain modifications were added to those initial M1s in the field and to M1s during production. These became known as M1IP or M1 Improved Production. This variant was equipped with the M68 105mm main gun and had the asymmetrical 3-blast panel configuration.

The M1A1 had two idenitcal turret blast panels and was upgunned to the 120mm smooth bore cannon. It also added an NBC over pressurization system in place of the left hull sponson (storage) box. A "man hole cover" was added forward of the loader's hatch in anticipation of the development of Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CIT-V). The CIT-V was not installed on any M1A1 though.

The next variant included changes the USMC required to make the Abrams suitable for amphibious operations. It also had the depleted uranium mesh added to the forward slopes of the turret and hull. Because these changes incorporated a heavier armor and was now a common USA/USMC tank, it was referred to as the M1A1 Heavy Common. The modeling world refers to this as the M1A1-HA for "heavy armor", but this nomenclature is not used in the real armor world.

The Marines made some cosmetic changes to their Abrams. They added a Missile Countermeasures Device (MCD) on top of the man hole cover. This is the square device that some people confuse for a version of the CIT-V. It serves a totally different purpose by directing anti-tank guided missiles away from the tank. The Marines do not use the CIT-V.

The M1A2 added the CIT-V which allows the commander to search and designate targets while the gunner engages the current target. This tank also incorporated an auxillary power unit (APU or basically a generator) in the turret bustle rack to power the optics and electronics without the need to run the turbine engine. The APU has been retrofitted to many M1A1s as well. The M1A2 also required a new commander's cupola because the CIT-V data screens took up too much room in the commander's hatch.

The final variant (so far) is the M1A2SEP or Systems Enhancement Program. This upgraded several internal systems and allowed the APU to be moved from the turret bustle to the inside of the left rear hull (Under Armor APU or UAAPU). The engine changed as well and the CIT-V now uses a 2nd generation FLIR.

Very few units in the Army use the M1A2SEP which are mainly remanufactured M1IPs. There are several additional rebuilt variants of the M1A1. One is called the M1A1-D and incorporates the digitized electronics package that is in the M1A2. Another is called the M1A1 AIM or Abrams Integrated Management Program which rebuilds older M1A1s to a zero time/zero hours "like new" condition.

Bunch of changes to a tank that has been in service for 20+ years. While the current tanks look like the same ones used during Desert Storm, they have a decade plus of modernization done to them.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 19, 2004 3:43 PM
Is there any word on the likelihood that the longer German barrel for the 120mm gun will be fitted to the tanks? A few years ago, some funding went to equip a few test vehicles.
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Posted by bilbirk on Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:52 PM
Hey Rob. Do you know who is doing the retro fitting of the tanks?
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, June 19, 2004 7:25 PM
The Lima, Ohio tank plant I believe.
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Posted by ridleusmc on Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:53 PM
Gentilemen,

Thank you very much for all the info. I've printed it out for reference. I was going to use the Tamiya M1A2 Operation Iraqi Freedom kit in 1/35. The box says that it can also be built as an M1A1HA. I love Tamiya kits, but does anybody know if it's accurate?

Thanks all,
Chris



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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:32 PM
I'm surprised M1 (Chris) hasn't been in here yet...
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:35 PM
The only inaccuratcy I know off hand is the anti slip texture on the hull.
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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ridleusmc
I was going to use the Tamiya M1A2 Operation Iraqi Freedom kit in 1/35. The box says that it can also be built as an M1A1HA. I love Tamiya kits, but does anybody know if it's accurate?

From what I have seen and heard, it is a great kit. As stated above, it is lacking the non-slip coating on the hull and turret. Here is a review from Perth Militarty Modelling web page. http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/tamiya/tam35269.htm

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by thundergod

The only inaccuratcy I know off hand is the anti slip texture on the hull.
Considering this an inaccuracy is the same thing as considering any of the Tiger kits inaccurate because they lack zimmerit.
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