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Sherman tool tie-ons?

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Sherman tool tie-ons?
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 21, 2004 11:03 PM
Continuing to work on my Formations M4A1 (still love it!).

The tool set that comes with the kit is really nice. Question -- the clamps holding the tools onto the tank appear to be some kind of ties, with loops almost like on a tied shoe. What are they? What were they made of? What color where they?

Any help appreciated -- particularly a site with color pics of a Sherman's tools held on by these things. I have looked at Berndt's neato color pics of Shermans in American Tanks of World War II and nothing really popped out at me.
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Posted by wipw on Monday, June 21, 2004 11:25 PM
Larry, if you're talking about the ones I think you are, I believe they were dark brown, leather belts. But I'm sure Robert will be along soon and set us both straight!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 21, 2004 11:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw

Larry, if you're talking about the ones I think you are, I believe they were dark brown, leather belts. But I'm sure Robert will be along soon and set us both straight!!


Weird! How was the leather affixed to the hull?
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Posted by renarts on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:09 AM
There are tiedown loops tack or spot welded to the hull. A brown leather strap is threaded through this to hold tools and gear on.
Equipment like shovels and axes have a piece of sheet metal tack welded to the hull that acts sort of like a socket for the head. The leather strap wraps around the handles and keeps the tools in place.

Tools like gun cleaning rods are kept in a rack welded to the hull. One side again is a socket that the ends are inserted to and the other has a hinged latch plate.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:15 AM
Thanks Mike. At what point did they paint the tank -- I mean, what stuff should be OD? Did they paint the metal parts you mentioned OD, or leave them bare metal? Were the leather straps painted OD?
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Posted by wipw on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:40 AM
Larry, that I'm not sure of. I'm pretty sure the metal parts would have been od, but even if the straps were, the paint would have rapidly flaked off leaving just the brown of the leather.
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Posted by renarts on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:24 PM
brown leather as far as I know. Leather weathers differently and can be anything from a redish brown to a dark brown. Grease and grime on the hands, transfered to the leather or wet leather would certainly make it a darker color. Dust and road dirt would again discolor it as well and would be reflected in the appearance of the leather.

The tie downs are simple pieces of round stock that have 2, 90 degree bends in them and straight in the center like a handle or like the larger tie downs you see on the rear decking. They are just smaller. Small enough to be hidden behind the tool or implement and not too proud of the surface of the hull. Just enough to slide the strapping through.

The period color photos I have of the add on sheet metal sockets are OD. With plenty of wear. The contemporary reference pics I have show them painted OD so my vote is the OD.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:38 PM
Great, very helpful, this will help me a lot with my M4A1, which I am building now and will get more serious on once the Towed Gun Group Build is over.
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Posted by renarts on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:45 PM
Good luck.....you owe us some pics now...Wink [;)]
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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