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  • Member since
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  • From: NSW, Australia
Posted by pingtang on Friday, June 25, 2004 6:53 AM
Looks like I'm not the only flying thing builder in here (I am also a builder of floaty things, drivy things and racy things).

woodbeck3 - I don't know what your talking about, I've never built a 38, but thanks for the compliment anyway. I don't know what you mean by 38, if you meant 32 I did build a hellcat with number 32 on it. If you want some pics of it , tell me and I'll post some.

Thanks again for the help.
-Daniel
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  • From: South Australia
Posted by South Aussie on Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by pingtang



Thanks for treating me kindly everyone. And thanks for answering all of my questions. The question on panzerfaust was actually supposed to be about anti-panzerfaust panels (I left out the anti). I am interested in building a tank one day so I'll go to the LHS this week and see if I can afford any thing.

Can anyone out there recommend a good website with some basic tank info? I need to know the difference between tigers and panthers and shermans and T34's and T55's and a bit of a history of them. Then I might be able to decide what to build.

Thanks again.


Welcome to the dark side pingtang, as wipw highlighted, the anti-panzerfaust panels were known as Schurzen, the idea being that the hollow charge of an anti tank shell would expend it energy on it and not on the armour of the tank itself.

Tamyia or dragon kit are a good starting point of they are widely available here in Australia.
Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.
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  • From: USA
Posted by philp on Friday, June 25, 2004 2:30 AM
'We come in peace (shoot to kill, shoot to kill) er...sorry, old Star Trek song.
Anyway, as a builder of flying things and crawling things (as well as floaty things, spacey things, etc) I say if you want to try something new, go for it.
I did notice that most of the models the guys have suggested above are in 1/35th scale.
My thought on trying something new is KISS. There are some great 1/72 tanks out there that have fewer parts and if you really mess them up, you are out $10 instead of $30. Try one of the Revell Tigers or Hasagawa Panzer IVs. They make great targets...oops, I mean tanks.
Most of all, have fun with it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 25, 2004 2:09 AM
Pings a good builder (put the link to your 38 here ping).

Remember treadies, lotta recon flights before we attack Wink [;)]
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  • From: NSW, Australia
Posted by pingtang on Friday, June 25, 2004 12:34 AM


Thanks for treating me kindly everyone. And thanks for answering all of my questions. The question on panzerfaust was actually supposed to be about anti-panzerfaust panels (I left out the anti). I am interested in building a tank one day so I'll go to the LHS this week and see if I can afford any thing.

Can anyone out there recommend a good website with some basic tank info? I need to know the difference between tigers and panthers and shermans and T34's and T55's and a bit of a history of them. Then I might be able to decide what to build.

Thanks again.
-Daniel
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  • From: Philippines
Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:06 PM
Well, I think you have enough answers for one day. Don't you think so, too? The guys really took good care of you. So I just want to welcome you to the Darkside.

You are free to stay too if you wish.

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:24 PM
Welcome to the Dark Side Daniel. Yes there are no silly questions, we are here to help and my armor comrades have done a great job. Yes, Tamiya is generally worth the extra money. Most would agree that they have the best fitting kits. However, some like Dragon may offer more goods such as PE parts and indy tracks in their kits that save you money. What it might boil down to is what your desired vehicle would be then we can offer more input as to manufacturer. Tamiya makes great Kingtigers, Tigers, Shermans and Panthers to name a few of the more known.

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 Eric 

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  • From: The cornfields of Ohio
Posted by crockett on Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:23 AM
Did something happen on the wing flapper side of the house? We seem to have an epidemic of flyboy posts today. The dark side must be gaining influence! The force is strong - don't fight it Ping, come on over..........
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  • From: Rowland Heights, California
Posted by Duke Maddog on Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ausf



BTW, hasn't the phrase 'I come in peace' or 'We mean you no harm' meant the ultimate dismise of all in earshot?Wink [;)]



HE'S COMING IN TOO LOW!! SOUND THE ALERT!! HE'S ON AN ATTACK RUN! EVERYBODY DUCK!!

WHERE'S OUR SAMS?!!

*the sound of AAA artillery and machine guns begins as everyone runs for their vehicles...*

Clown [:o)]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by wildwilliam on Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:44 AM
Pingtang,
looks like the gang has given you the info.
so i will just say Welcome to the Armor side!
hope you try an AFV. i am a partly 'reformed' Aircraft modeler,
and i think they are quite enjoyable.
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  • From: Utah - USA
Posted by wipw on Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:30 AM
Daniel;

No stupid questions here! I posted in the AF forum last night and felt totally out of place, so I know where you're coming from.

As monrad said, zimmerit was an anti magnetic paste. It was trowled on to the tanks for a few years to prevent Russian infantry from attaching magnetic mines to the vertical sides of the tank. I've read that it was discontinued because the crews reported that it caught fire, but this was unsubstanciated.

I think what you were refering to as "panzerfaust" may be shurzen. These were thin metal plates attached to the outside of some tanks. Some were big squarish plates that covered the wheels, others were long and wrapped around the turret. Their purpose in life was to take the initial impact of a shell and explode it a short distance from the tank surface. Thereby disapating the charge before the round got up against the main armor where the force of the explosion could penetrate the hull.

Tamiya makes some terrific kits. Probably the best fitting and easiest to build. Comparable to their aircraft kits. However, they also still sell some that were designed bace in the 70's. These are their cheeper ($20 and less) kits, for the most part, and usually have some fit and accuracy problems. Still, they can make for a nice build. The PzII in my sig below is one of them (under $10, in fact) but it wasn't built oob, either. It was my first armor kit in many years and my first attempt to put am detail on anything. Their Tigers and Panther G kits (not the Panther A) are all terrific kits. If you like Allied armor, their Shermans and T34s are supposed to be great, too.

Dragon makes a lot of super kits. Most of my stable of unbuilt kits are from Dragon. They are very well detailed, fairly accurate, and less expensive than a comparable Tamiya kit. Down sides are that they can have a few fit problems, their instruction sheets often have errors in them, and they have independent link tracks. This can be good or bad, depending on if you're willing to deal with them. (I love them, for the most part, myself). But for your first armor kit, I wouldn't recommend them.

Academy has some fairly nice kits out as well as some dogs. Their Tigers and M3's with interior are pretty nice builds, from all reports. They have a new series of kits, M36 Jackson, Russian Sherman, and duckbill to name just a few, that are supposed to be good, too. Their prices are pretty reasonable for what you get. Many of their kits include both one piece (rubber band) tracks and independent link tracks. That way, you can try the indies and if you don't like them or they turn out bad, you can go with the rubber band tracks. You'd be best off to ask about a specific kit you're interested in here on the forum and let the guys tell you about it.

AFV Club makes some nice stuff you might not find elsewhere. They are priced kind of between Dragon and Tamiya.

Lastly (not that their aren't a bunch of other manufactures, especially from the Russia, etc.), Trumpeter has quite a bit out there. They are releasing more all the time. And, just like in aircraft, are starting to release some large scale stuff (in armor, read that as 1/16!). I've only gotten one of their 1/35 scale kits of an M1A2 Abrams and don't care for it much. The plastic seems to be kind of brittle and there is a lot more seam cleanup than I'm used to with either Dragon or Tamiya. Not flash, just parting seams, but it seems excessive to me. I've heard the same comment from others here on the forum.

This has been kind of wordy, but I hope it helps. Please feel free to add to any posts and ask any questions. We're all here to help! Welcome to the dark side.
Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:09 AM
Zimmerit is a concrete-like substance which is why you''ll see different patterns and applications depending on who did it. You'll also see it broken off by battle damage and wear as the tank ages (if it ages).
It was named after the manufacturer, Zimmer.

I also remember reading somewhere that they was never a case of a tank being destroyed by a magnetic mine before or after they started using it. I don't know if that's true or not.

BTW, hasn't the phrase 'I come in peace' or 'We mean you no harm' meant the ultimate dismise of all in earshot?Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:57 AM
Welcome to the dark side pingtang.

1st. Zimmerit is an anti magnetic coating, that the germans aplied to their tanks in WWII. This was to prevent the use of magnetic mines on german tanks.

2nd. A panzerfaust is a weapon. Its an antitank weapon, based on the hollow charge principle.

3rd. What do you like ?? Tigers, shermans, Panthers or something else ??
Tamiya have alot of great kits. They have some very good Tiger kits. Also Academy and DML makes some great armor kits.

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  • From: NSW, Australia
I come in peace.
Posted by pingtang on Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:10 AM
G'day everyone

I am a usual aircraft forum visitor but I thought I'd come give you lot a visit and ask a few questions about AFV's while I am here. Now, I confess to know absolutely nothing about tanks so go easy on me if these are stupid questions:

1. What is the purpose of Zimmerit? Was it cast into the tank or was it a sort
of camouflage netting?
2.What was the purpose of Panzerfaust? I've seen it on a few models in
FSM and always wondered what the idea behind it was. Is it, as I suspect to
protect from bazooka/panzershreck shells? and if so, how did it protect the
tank?
3.What would be a good first Tank model for me to build? I am after something
easy to build and probably something from WW2. Are Tamiya kits worth the
extra cost or should I try other brands?

Thanks in advance for any answers you can provide.
-Daniel
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