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                        More Pics -- Panzer IV at US Army Ordnance Museum, Aberdeen, Maryland

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                        addunbar
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                          December 2003
                        • From: Maryland, U.S.A.
                        Posted by addunbar on Thursday, July 8, 2004 9:58 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by edog

                        addunbar, I got my information about the hydrostatic drive Pz IV from Pz IV and Its Variants, by Walter J. Speilberger. Only one was built and the US brought it over at the end of the war to test it because they were working on a similar design.


                        edog,

                        Thanks for that source. I will have to check it out.

                        Alex
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                        Buddho
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Newport News VA
                        Posted by Buddho on Thursday, July 8, 2004 9:35 PM
                        Great pics....I'm gonna have to make a trip up there soon!

                        Regards, Dan

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:57 PM
                        Cobrahistorian, I just sent you an email. Thanks in advance!

                        addunbar, I got my information about the hydrostatic drive Pz IV from Pz IV and Its Variants, by Walter J. Speilberger. Only one was built and the US brought it over at the end of the war to test it because they were working on a similar design.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:20 PM
                        Cobrahistorian, that would be great. I aways love to see pics of the old relics that we base our models on.
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                        Cobrahistorian
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                        • From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!
                        Posted by Cobrahistorian on Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:09 PM
                        Hey, if anyone wants, I've got a few shots of the Panther and Pz III waiting restoration at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox, KY. I'm sorry that my interior pics didn't come out well (I was using a disposable camera), otherwise I'd have had some great shots of the King Tiger among other things. Bummer. Drop me an email and I'll send you the shots I do have.

                        "1-6 is in hot"
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                        gringe88
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                          July 2004
                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:17 PM
                        thanks sooo much addunbar! really helpful pics, even if the vehicles are kinda mutts. lotta useful info here thx again!

                        MattSmile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        addunbar
                        • Member since
                          December 2003
                        • From: Maryland, U.S.A.
                        Posted by addunbar on Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:53 AM
                        Where did you find info on the hydrostatic transmission experiment? The only reference I have found on the net is at LemaireSoft (http://users.swing.be/tanks.tanks/complet/850.html). It says that only one was built and was tested unsuccessfully on the Eastern Front in 1943. Could this be that single test unit?

                        Alex
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                        Build22
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: Upstate NY
                        Posted by Build22 on Thursday, July 8, 2004 6:56 AM

                        addunbar,

                        Great pics !

                        Not onlt are thet good reference for a PZ IV but they are excellent for wethering and chipped paint as well.


                        Thanks for sharing



                        Jim [IMG]
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 8, 2004 4:48 AM
                        The second tank is a MkIV that was modified with a hydrostatic transmission (it was a rear drive) It was an experimental vehical that was built for testing.... I bet it was caputerd at the end of the war

                        Herr Gray
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 8, 2004 4:11 AM
                        Peter,

                        I think that first tank may actually be a very late Pz IV F2! I don’t see any indication of the Bosch lights. Aside from the gun, there was little difference between the late F2 and early G. Well, it was a thought...
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 11:43 PM
                        First is a Panzer IV Ausf G - the lack of second vision port in the turret front and the side vision ports as well as the lack of signal ports in the driver and Radio operator's hull hatches are the clues. The muzzle brake is an F2 single baffle one, and should not be on that vehicle as the true G never had them. I am led to believe that this vehicle was mainly complete, but some parts were obtained from various wrecks to make it 'whole'.

                        Thanks again for sharing Alex.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 6:15 PM
                        Once again, thank you. These will help a LOT! Just in case you were interested, that second tank is a modified Pz IV to test a hydrostatic drive. I am not really sure what that means, but it has something to do with the engine powering two oil pumps, which in turn powered two oil engines. I guess I'm not sure how that would workDunce [D)]

                        anyway, thanks again!!
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                        addunbar
                        • Member since
                          December 2003
                        • From: Maryland, U.S.A.
                        Posted by addunbar on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 3:38 PM
                        This second series is also from the US Army Ordnance Museum. When I took these pictures in April, I believed this to be a Panzer IV. However, there are several aspects of this panzer which make me believe that it is not a true Panzer IV but a close approximation that may have been cobbled together after the war. Take a look and see what you think.

                        Fortunately, this panzer has many of the features that we all look for in detailing our Panzer IV models. Just try to ignore the ones that don't belong -- I have tried to point them out before each picture link.

                        The following website, however, declares this tank is a Pzkpfw IV ausf G: http://www.davidpride.com/Army/Army_index.htm.

                        Left side view
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170123.jpg
                        Left side view
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170124.jpg
                        Left side view. Notice the engine cooling louvers on the rear hull. Not typical of Pzkpfw IVs.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170125.jpg
                        Detail of turret skirts.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170126.jpg
                        Detail of turret skirts.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170127.jpg
                        Another shot of that incorrect rear hull. Notice the idler wheel; also not typical of Pzkpfw IVs--appears to be a second drive sprocket rather than an idler wheel.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170128.jpg
                        View of right side.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170129.jpg
                        View of right side turret. Notice grab handle and rainguard above turret hatch.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170130.jpg
                        Detail of left side headlight.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170131.jpg
                        View of glacis plate.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170132.jpg
                        Front view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170133.jpg
                        Another left side view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170134.jpg
                        Detail of spare road wheel storage.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170135.jpg
                        Detail of spare road wheel storage.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170136.jpg
                        Detail of spare road wheel storage.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170137b.jpg
                        Detail of spare road wheel storage.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Pzkpfw%20IV/P4170138b.jpg

                        Alex
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                        addunbar
                        • Member since
                          December 2003
                        • From: Maryland, U.S.A.
                        More Pics -- Panzer IV at US Army Ordnance Museum, Aberdeen, Maryland
                        Posted by addunbar on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 3:31 PM
                        Here are more Panzer IV pictures from my April 2004 visit to the US Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen, Maryland.

                        This first series of photos shows what I believe is an early Pzkpfw IV G. Notice the ball shaped muzzle brake; the absence of the vision port on the turret front -- right side; absence of left and right turret vision ports; turret double doors. This could also be a late F2.

                        This is my second Panzer IV picture posting. The first was of the DAK Panzer IV at the US Army Ordnance Museum.

                        The pictures are stored on photobucket.com. The links are as follows:

                        Left side view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170091.jpg
                        Notice the grills on the turret and hull sides. They provide visual access to the interior. Unfortunately, the interior is now rusted out.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170092.jpg
                        Front view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170093.jpg
                        Right side view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170094.jpg
                        Close-up of right side hull vision port from front.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170095b.jpg
                        Close-up of right side hull vision port from rear.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170096b.jpg
                        Right side view of turret stowage bin.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170097.jpg
                        Close-up of turret stowage bin.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170098.jpg
                        Close-up of turret stowage bin.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170099.jpg
                        Close-up of turret stowage bin.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170100.jpg
                        Right side rear hull.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170101.jpg
                        Rear view showing muffler.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170102.jpg
                        Rear view showing muffler.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170103.jpg
                        View from above of engine grate.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170104b.jpg
                        Right side view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170105.jpg
                        Closeup of left side idler wheel.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170106.jpg
                        Closeup of right side idler wheel.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170107.jpg
                        Left side view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170108.jpg
                        Closeup of left side road wheels.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170109.jpg
                        Closeup of left side idler wheel.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170111b.jpg
                        Front view.
                        http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cyanbeagle/Aberdeen%20Panzer%20IV/P4170112.jpg

                        Alex
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