Simulating Water/rain...

Future/Klear brushed on at strategic places on the tank?

Okay, here goes..

I have a military vehicle parked on my driveway (ex brit army Land Rover) painted in Nato green. The thing I noticed was the paint, when wet, goes a slightly darker shade, and is satin, opposed to matt. I suggest mixing up some satin clear with a hint of darkened base (i.e. same as the tank) and mist from above in the wind direction of your choice.. That way the airbrush actually rains on the tank, as it where. Depending on how long after it rained you might want to do less, and concentrate on more of the centre of the tanks panels (and steering clear from the engine area. If the tank has been running this will warm up the surrounding hull). If its just freshly wettened, then you might want to add some gloss afterwards. The closer to the centre of panels (or actually, the further away from the ground), the wetter. Puddles will form in recesses and flat horizontal panels. Also, water will have run down sloped/vertical panels, taking any dust and mud with it. If a hatch has been opened after it had rained, the standing water will have run off the side of the turret.

Test on something else, mind..

Also a dusting of gloss onto the diorama's grass will make it nice and wet.. Puddles are also rarely clear, and usually occur in the same spots, so they'll collect crud that washes in from around them. Some dark pastel chafings trapped by some clear gloss would do nicely I think. Also, has the tank moved since it has rained? It will be dry underneath, so the concrete will be noticably a few shades lighter. Concrete slabs also aren´t always level, so water will run off them forming a puddle in the direction to the way off.. I reckon after the base coat apply some darkened base 70-30 gloss-satin, then dust with satin then matt.. If its been some time since it rained, the slaby will be blotchy with certain areas being dryer. The further away from a puddle, the dryer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, fella's...

Okay, here goes..

I have a military vehicle parked on my driveway (ex brit army Land Rover) painted in Nato green. The thing I noticed was the paint, when wet, goes a slightly darker shade, and is satin, opposed to matt. I suggest mixing up some satin clear with a hint of darkened base (i.e. same as the tank) and mist from above in the wind direction of your choice.. That way the airbrush actually rains on the tank, as it where. Depending on how long after it rained you might want to do less, and concentrate on more of the centre of the tanks panels (and steering clear from the engine area. If the tank has been running this will warm up the surrounding hull). If its just freshly wettened, then you might want to add some gloss afterwards. The closer to the centre of panels (or actually, the further away from the ground), the wetter. Puddles will form in recesses and flat horizontal panels. Also, water will have run down sloped/vertical panels, taking any dust and mud with it. If a hatch has been opened after it had rained, the standing water will have run off the side of the turret.

Test on something else, mind..

Also a dusting of gloss onto the diorama's grass will make it nice and wet.. Puddles are also rarely clear, and usually occur in the same spots, so they'll collect crud that washes in from around them. Some dark pastel chafings trapped by some clear gloss would do nicely I think. Also, has the tank moved since it has rained? It will be dry underneath, so the concrete will be noticably a few shades lighter. Concrete slabs also aren´t always level, so water will run off them forming a puddle in the direction to the way off.. I reckon after the base coat apply some darkened base 70-30 gloss-satin, then dust with satin then matt.. If its been some time since it rained, the slaby will be blotchy with certain areas being dryer. The further away from a puddle, the dryer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, fella's...

whoa thanks,

I got the idea off a picture i saw of a tank sitting in a depot. the picture was just taken after some light rain. it had just come in from exercise. Its just an idea as of now, i have the tank etc, just looking for ideas, and for somehing a little bit different, instead of a battle hardened tank.

anywyas, i'll have a fiddle around wif that bit of adivce,
thanks

Not a problem.. Just test it first!

Sorry about the dubble post, by the way..

on the german vehicles i've seen in kosovo and while stationed in germany, it seems like they are mostly painted the same as our tracked vehicles?
I can ask some of the bundesweihr (spelling) and try to find out?
i see them every time i leave my housing area and go to main post.

if you could that would be great!

I'll hopefully be painting it German Army Green (which most leopard 1s were painted then...)or an equivallent...thing is, i can't find one that looks the same, tho i think Black Green is very similair. the pictures i have seen it to be very dark, then a close up shows it very light...then other pictues show a comepletey different shade...so its making it difficult to find a matching colour

Anyways, thanks for your help

I'm going to Nurnburg today, so , I'll try to get that info and maybe a digital pic of one of their vehicles if I can find one?

ohhh,

wicked! your a great help. Please only do this if its of no trouble to you :)

again, i appreciated your help
thanks

I couldn't get a pic of the vehicles but i got a uniform if that helps a lil'?
I'll keep my eyes open, i have seen a few around here in the past ( what looked like some srot of bradly looking thing? and some kinda big 4X4 truck thing?).
check out ronUSMC s web page for the pics.

thanks anyways

I think i'll just go with having the model in Black Green. From most pictures it seems close enough.

thanks again

As mentioned earlier in regards to using future to simulate rain/wet look, why mix future w/ a darker green??. I thought when you applied a gloss to a finish does'nt it make the color deeper in tone(darker)?
Flaps up, Mike

Not in my experiance, thankfully.. Especially when I was spray painting my motorcycle..

The best way is to test the methods on a junk kit.. See what works best.. The deeper colour on a wet object is as far as I know a refraction thing, and on a scaled down size its only really achievable by a fair amount of experimenting.. Depending on the undersurface stuff can turn out pretty dark.

I like the idea of puddles formed in any recessed areas of the hull superstructure. It cn only add to the perception of rain (or recent rain), especially if you add any figures and make ponchos for them. If its in a depot setting, any drums or tarps will also have puddles. I've made drips/runoff in dioramas with hot glue or resin, allowing it to start to set up and dripping it from the edge of tents, vehicles and obstacles.

Mike

does anyone know of any pictures of models weathered in a similiar way...with rain and puddles around then etc?

having some visual references would help alot. I jot got the latest FSM (had to go to a book store that imports from America, most FSM magazines arrive 1 and a half months late) i read the article on the "mudding up a tank". I now have a new idea of having the Leopard AS1 moving through the training range (which gets real muddy)...but also have it as if its just forded across a river or has rained...so alot of gunk would build up around the tracks, track gaurds/shrouds and the glacis (sp?) plate

i have the equipment, and all the resources i need...i think its just a matter of experimenting until i am ready to place the model on the base...

Or, i am only creating trouble for myself

thanks
cya later

I think the Leopard and Gepard are not in black green, but light green rather.
So you should find light green color, similar to this one :


To simulate water in a dio, nothing is better than clear resin. And to simulate
rain, I think nothing is better than using JAVA Applet named "Weather" as
illustrated by the opening shot of the following page:
http://www.falconbbs.com/model17a.htm

The vehicle i am hoping to model is the Australian Leopard AS1 (AS Nato for Australia). It came painted in German Army Green.

hmm...this is my problem, i would really like to do it in the Australian Camofalgue, but am not skilled enough with the air brush to do it...

- thats the colour that was applied to these tanks...German Army Green apprently...

and this is the colour scheme i would like to paint it...but don't think i have the skills to do it...



anyways, i can't find any colours that really match the german army green...some pictures show it light colour, then a real dark colour...

but thanks for the picture - do you know what type of paint that is? because i can use that then, if u do...

thanks

(sorry for rambleing on)

try mixing an olive drab, with some forest green, maybe throw in some white or black and see how close you can get for the german green

modelmaniac, or anyone: how did u make the little mud dots for the side and what color did u use?

Iluv3ggs - Remember that the colours of all armoured vehicles fade with time. Pick a colour that is close and run with it. As far as painting the camo pattern, find something to practice on...an old kit, a piece of plastic sign....anything that will allow you to spray without the worry of doing any damage. Camo is a lot easier than you think.

Juniormodeler - mud can be applied in a number of ways. Anything from using real honest to goodness dirt from the backyard to applying a small amount of putty, just another case of trial and error to achieve the end results you want. To paint it, dry brush with earth tones and top it off with pastels, at least that's how I do it.

Whoa! That Leps very brand spankers! I didn't know tanks came in a clean version..

As for Aussie military stuff, being a Land Rover fanatic, I'd love to put my hands on (at least) a model of a Perentie 4x4 and 6x6 (especially that outback commando thing with the MX bike strapped to the back http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/4/LandRover/Perentie/LRPV01.jpg .. Talk about Mad Max material..)..

I get splattered mud effects by using a stiff bristled brush or toothbrush and very carefully and in a controlled manner "spatter" or "stipple" the mud effect. It will cake up if you work an area enough, much like the real thing, especially if you use a fine clay/plaster/paint mix.

Mike

My modeler came to see me yesterday, so I asked him what color he used for, say, the
3-tone camo of the Tiger I. He said he mixed all the 3 colors himself because there's
no specific color any of the 3-tone. Most of the time he used Gunze thinner-based colors,
but for some models he used Tamiya's Acrylic color, and Lucas's water-based color
in case of German Gray. He suggested choosing a color that's closest to the manual
and paint your tank, then overspray it with lighter color.

The little mud dots were made using fine sand and some paints. Please refer to
the article wrote by my modeler "Making of the Famo" : http://www.falconbbs.com/famo-eng.htm

Happy modelling!

Hey, how's the rain coming along? I dunno about the rest, but I'm getting pretty curious!

The colour you are looking for is RAL 6014 "Gelboliv".

This is the colour, German tanks were painted, before they received the new three- tone NATO scheme.

Xtracolor has this colour in it´s range.

Regards from Germany,

Thomas

Hey,

i haven't started building it yet,

I had to wait for the converstion set to arrive, which it just has. I might wait a little longer as well, i am waiting for some pictures to come back from the RAAC of the Commanders Tank. Altho, its been a while nows, so, i dunno if they'll be sending any any time soon.

I'll start the basic constrution this week end most likely

might go for a wet, muddy look, and have the tanmk in the traing grounds...

we'll see :D

cyas