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A new Tiger to hit the shelves
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:24 PM

1/35 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger (P)

There was only one completed Tiger(P) saw combat (sPzAbt. 653) ever during WWII, served as a command tank on the Eastern Front in September 1942. This new kit features this tank accurately.

Features:
- Newly tooled parts including the complete new turret, cannon, upper hull, fender and armor plates
- Dust mesh photo-etched parts
- High quality decals by Cartograf

With this new kit modellers can now build up the exact and only Tiger(P) ever on the battlefield.

it sounds good, i just hope its got the propper tracksBig Smile [:D]
editits from Dragon
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:27 PM
Who makes it??? Great news....
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:07 PM
So you know which manufaturer is releasing this kit? Other than that, lookes like it could be a very interesting subject, even if the marking options are somewhat limited! Thanks for the info.
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Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:25 PM
Nice. Any idea of when it will be released?
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:47 PM
I'm pretty sure it is Dragon's. They were due to release one this year.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:04 PM
That looks nice! A tiger with a fresh outlook. Lol. Thanks for the link, Jon.

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Posted by Moses on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:11 PM
Awesome, I have wanted to do one for a long time and have avoided Italeri's like the plaque. Looking forward to it.
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Posted by Build22 on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:57 PM


I knew it was coming - didn't know when. Thanks Jon


I've been trying to finish my Italeri Ferdinand Tiger before this one came out. The Dragon kit is probably much better


Actually, there is some differences between the actual one that went into battle and the prototypes that the Italeri kit represents

Cromwell actual makes a conversion for the Italeri kit to make the one that went into battle

Jim [IMG]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:19 AM
Hmmm says edits from Dragon at the bottom of his post... guess you all need a wingy thingy guy around to help you out with this stuffWink [;)].

Tanks people just point and go.... flyers actually look at a map I suppose Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:04 AM
Yeah well done Jeff it is from Dragon
and it should be released October
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA6210
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:11 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by woodbeck3

Hmmm says edits from Dragon at the bottom of his post... guess you all need a wingy thingy guy around to help you out with this stuffWink [;)].

Tanks people just point and go.... flyers actually look at a map I suppose Wink [;)]


Tanks people notice that the original post was edited to include who makes it after the question about the manufucturer was posed. Wink [;)]

Hey, maybe that extraordinary extra L was just blocking your view. Tongue [:P]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:13 AM
Obligatory Larry_Dunn response:

Oh good, another kit of a German vehicle of which one was used. Fully decked out and accurate. Even includes the beer stein that the commander used to leave on the turret deck sometimes.

Now, can we please have one accurate Sherman kit? Thank you.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:55 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn
[Oh good, another kit of a German vehicle of which one was used.


And this ain't even the first kit!
As mentioned above the Italeri kit's been out for years!
Now there are TWO choices for a kit of a German vehicle of which one was used.
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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:07 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn
[Oh good, another kit of a German vehicle of which one was used.


And this ain't even the first kit!
As mentioned above the Italeri kit's been out for years!
Now there are TWO choices for a kit of a German vehicle of which one was used.


It's all about market and demand I guess...rare/oddball/concept vehicles have that exotic look and feel to them I guess that draws people, kinda like asymmetrical aircraft or experimental concept platforms. When I'm looking to buy a kit, there's always that factor at play, looking for things that are a little bit different or out of the ordinary as a fun build. That's what landed me the Leopold ironically enough...

Period collectors for German armor have a strong level of buying potential because of the comparably greater variety of vehicles that the Germans used throughout the war vs. the US and Allied side. The Allies chose standardization and volume, the Germans chose variety/ad hoc/specialization and there you have it. Run down through the Sdkfz catalogue and it's mindboggling how many variants of the different platforms there are out there...and not all of them have been made into kits so the market expansion of "new" releases is pretty powerful.

I understand you pain though Larry, there should be more representation on the Allied side for equipment and some makers, such as Academy, are offering more variety in this area with the Sherman chassis SP guns, Tank Destroyers, etc. As to their degree of accuracy at the heart of your complaint, I can't comment beyond casual observance. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:14 AM
I think it's more that the Panzers, and their jockeys, have this elite cache that seems to be magnetic.

Do a websearch for Barkmann. Then do a websearch for Sergeant Pool. Note the disparity in websites.
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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:18 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

I think it's more that the Panzers, and their jockeys, have this elite cache that seems to be magnetic.

Do a websearch for Barkmann. Then do a websearch for Sergeant Pool. Note the disparity in hits.


That may be, but that points up my original argument. They are more likely to buy a rare/oddbal/concept kit because it's German vs. the same crowd on the Sherman side. Hence those kits get made even if they never saw action, or only one was made, or they were still on the drawing board at the end of the war...

As a side note, I have no idea who either Barkmann or Sgt. Pool are...Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:23 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wbill76
That may be, but that points up my original argument. They are more likely to buy a rare/oddbal/concept kit because it's German vs. the same crowd on the Sherman side. Hence those kits get made even if they never saw action, or only one was made, or they were still on the drawing board at the end of the war...


Thought your point was that German stuff got built because there was more of a variety in German vehicles than in Allied (not sure that's true, actually).

QUOTE: As a side note, I have no idea who either Barkmann or Sgt. Pool are...Big Smile [:D]


You are a Texan and you've never heard of Lafayette Pool?!? [:0]
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Posted by mark956 on Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:24 AM
Thanks for the heads up Jon.
mark956
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:37 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman

[blue]There was only one completed Tiger(P) saw combat (sPzAbt. 653) ever during WWII, served as a command tank on the Eastern Front in September 1942.


By the way, did sPzAbt. 653 even exist in September 1942? I thought the unit was formed in 1943.
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Posted by ABARNE on Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:34 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

I think it's more that the Panzers, and their jockeys, have this elite cache that seems to be magnetic.

Do a websearch for Barkmann. Then do a websearch for Sergeant Pool. Note the disparity in websites.


My take is that this is due to the capabilities of German tanks vs. that of the Sherman. There is also the perception, somewhat mistaken, that the vaunted German Blitzkrieg was due to the superiority of their tanks, which admittedly overlooks the fact that the Blitzkrieg victories were done mostly with Panzer II's, III's, and the Czech tanks. Between the early Blitzkrieg scaring the daylights out of people and the true superiority of the later Tigers, Panthers, and Tiger II's, German armor takes on almost mythical proportions. Above and beyond all that, German tanks generally look the part of a really efficient AFVs, and thus are popular historical subjects.

In contrast, we had the Sherman. It was decent mechanical vehicle, albeit something of a hodge-pdge stopgap, but in 1942 it wasn't too bad of a tank. Unfortunately, from 1943 on, it was getting to be increasingly outclassed on the battlefield, and by 1944-45 it was at a serious disadvantage. So I think a lot of Americans have a tendency to ignore it rather than admit that we had a second-class weapon.

My simplistic nutshell summary is that later writers ascribe German victories due to the superiority of their tanks while Allied victories were achieved in spite of the inferiority of our tanks. The irony, of course, is that with a weapon such as the Sherman, any useful exploits such as those performed by Pool, really should be trumpeted all the more loudly, because those successed are naturally balanced more in favor of the skill of the crew rather than simply having a better weapon.
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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:47 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn



Thought your point was that German stuff got built because there was more of a variety in German vehicles than in Allied (not sure that's true, actually).

You are a Texan and you've never heard of Lafayette Pool?!? [:0]


I was making both points actually from the standpoint of market demand and popularity...and, yes I'm a Texan and have no idea who Lafayette Pool is/was...guess I'll have to Google and find out since you've piqued my curiosity. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ABARNE
[ The irony, of course, is that with a weapon such as the Sherman, any useful exploits such as those performed by Pool, really should be trumpeted all the more loudly, because those successed are naturally balanced more in favor of the skill of the crew rather than simply having a better weapon.


You know, I agree with that. I also think that we should probably re evaluate this whole idea of qualitative superiority a little bit. Like Woody Allen said, 90% of life is showing up, and you could generally rely on the America tanks to show up more often than the German tanks. (Although that does tend to get exaggerated a bit -- Shermans did break down, and German tanks that had regular maintenance halts were more or less reliable.)

There's also some of the great technical innovations in Allied tanks, such as gun stabilization, and the very high rate of fire and efficient turret traverse of the Shermans. In a tank to tank duel, these things mattered.

Having a very slow turret traverse can get you in trouble. Example: the first KTs committed to combat were all knocked out by ONE T-34/85, which zoomed around their flanks and rear faster than the turrets could keep up with them, getting flank or rear penetrations on all of them. Let's hear it for the little guy! Shermans killed King Tigers this same way.

I don't mean to bring this up every time a new injection molded German oddball is released. Oh hell ... yeah, I guess I do mean to. Tongue [:P]
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