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                        Dragon's Pzkpfw IB

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                        wbill76
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                          July 2004
                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:02 PM
                        Man if you could pull that off it would be an amazing feat of workmanship! Those wheels are solid and Dragon's plastic is notoriously soft. You'd basically have to remove the outer rim representing the rubber tire and then drill out the solid centers to leave the open spoked wheels.

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                        wipw
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                          January 2003
                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Posted by wipw on Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:22 AM
                        QUOTE: Or am I splitting hairs?


                        I thought you were talking about splitting idlers, not hairs!! lol
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:40 AM
                        wipw, yes one could do that, couldn't one Big Smile [:D]. Let me see how bad I goof things up. I have 4 trys before I'll give up. Please keep in mind that it would just be a modified italeri idler. how accurate are they? Or am I splitting hairs?

                        Ted
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                        wbill76
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                          July 2004
                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:33 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by JWest21

                        Are machinists those guys with missing fingers??


                        No those are the interns... Big Smile [:D]

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                        JWest21
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                        Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:26 PM
                        Are machinists those guys with missing fingers??
                        Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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                        wipw
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                          January 2003
                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Posted by wipw on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:51 PM
                        Somebody with machineing skills ought to make up a master, cast resin copies and offer them to his/her modeling buddies!! (Got to be careful about the commercial aspect of it here on the forum, though!!)
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:43 PM
                        I checked my old Italeri kits last night and they have the same detail. I think I could chuck the rear idler in my Sherline and yrun the details out. But it would be tricky with the plastic and all. I plan on running it by a couple of machinists and see what they say.

                        Ted
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                        wipw
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                          January 2003
                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Posted by wipw on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:40 PM
                        QUOTE: it's a wonder that they don't have special medical wings for our hobby...


                        Wouldn't that be "special medical wingy thingies"??? lol
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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                        wbill76
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                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:28 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw


                        Like I've always said, I have a mind like a steel trap, the only problem is...it's rusted shut! lol


                        At least it gives you a good source of weathering material! Big Smile [:D]

                        The mind/memory can do funny things after so much exposure to paint and glue...it's a wonder that they don't have special medical wings for our hobby...

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                        JWest21
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                        • From: PA
                        Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:17 PM
                        Well, I can see how you got the two confused- both have 2 figs and wrong idlers. Unfortunately, the Pz I doesn't have the right ones
                        Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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                        wipw
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                          January 2003
                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Posted by wipw on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:08 PM
                        Thanks, Guys. I've seen all these articles and they aren't the one I'm thinking of. Who knows, maybe it was for a different tank, like Dragons IV J. I've been known to make similar mistakes. But I distinctly remember the article mentioning that there were two figures and two extra heads (there is really only one extra head, I believe.)

                        Like I've always said, I have a mind like a steel trap, the only problem is...it's rusted shut! lol
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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                        JWest21
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                        • From: PA
                        Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:58 PM
                        Excellent point. I am sure the only two who see it are my wife (who wouldn't know the difference between a Pz I and a Panther) and my daughter who would flush it down the toilet regardless of the idler wheel.
                        Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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                        wbill76
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                          July 2004
                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:39 PM
                        Building it with the I-A idler wouldn't bother me...I don't know enough about the I-A or I-B to know the difference and once it's built and on the shelf, no one else who looks at it will likely know the difference either. Since you would need two AM parts they likely won't be cheap and the cost of this kit wasn't all that high to begin with.

                        As for trying to turn that sucker on a lathe, that would be a challenge since it's not that big to begin with and the adjustments would have to be VERY precise to get both wheels to look right.

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                        JWest21
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                          December 2002
                        • From: PA
                        Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:37 PM
                        Yeah, I think I won't build it, I will wait. With the Indie tracks, you couldn't even build it now and take the wheel off later to replace it with an aftermarket part (when it becomes available.) Basically, you either build it wrong and live with it or wait and see who comes out with a correction, if any
                        Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:27 PM
                        You could fix it on a lathe, but one slip and you'd be buying another kit. Scary stuffBlindfold [X-)]

                        Ted
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                        JWest21
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                          December 2002
                        • From: PA
                        Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:09 PM
                        Doesn't look like you can fix the problem without buying an aftermarket replacement. The timing is incredible. Maybe my wife is wrong and the world really does revolve around me
                        Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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                        wbill76
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                          July 2004
                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:55 PM
                        That's remarkable timing to say the least...and an unusual slip-up by Dragon in terms of the solid rubber vs. steel gap idler wheel...

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                        JWest21
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                          December 2002
                        • From: PA
                        Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:51 PM
                        PMMS has apparrently been readin our posts!! We are soooo special
                        http://pmms.webace.com.au/whatsnew.htm
                        http://pmms.webace.com.au/reviews/vehicles/dragon/dr6186.htm

                        To quote (there is a picture of the real and kit part too)
                        One problem with the suspension is the idler wheel which is depicted with a solid rubber tyre as with the Panzer 1A idler. The idler wheel on the Panzer 1B was in fact a new all metal design with a gap between the inner and outer wheel discs with connecting ribs and the box top art actually shows the correct configuration. Granted this is a difficult design to replicate in injection plastic but hopefully Dragon can have another look at this in any future kits on this chassis.
                        Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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                        wbill76
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                          July 2004
                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 23, 2004 9:23 PM
                        I've got it as well JWest but can't find anything about the idler either. I'm not planning on building it for a while though, so hopefully someone else will get their first and post about it...

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                        JWest21
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: PA
                        Posted by JWest21 on Monday, August 23, 2004 8:34 PM
                        I didn't see the idler comment. If you find it, let me know. I just got the kit and wanted to build it
                        Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Monday, August 23, 2004 7:24 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by wbill76
                        Very disturbing to learn that each of these tiny links has FIVE attachment points to the sprues...Banged Head [banghead]


                        Yuck. I wonder if Dragon will come out with a Panzerjager I? I really hope so. Sorry to go O.T. here, has anyone built Italeri's Panzerjager I?

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        wbill76
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 23, 2004 6:08 PM
                        Here's the Missing-lynx review:

                        http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/german/dmlpzkpfwi_fdesisto.html

                        Perth's Review:

                        http://pmms.webace.com.au/reviews/vehicles/dragon/dr6218.htm

                        And the review by Cookie Sewell:

                        http://misc.kitreview.com/armourreviews/pzibreviewcs_1.htm

                        Very disturbing to learn that each of these tiny links has FIVE attachment points to the sprues...Banged Head [banghead]

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                        wipw
                        • Member since
                          January 2003
                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Dragon's Pzkpfw IB
                        Posted by wipw on Monday, August 23, 2004 5:47 PM
                        Does anyone remember what the name of the post on this model was a couple of months ago?? Better yet, does anyone remember where the reveiw of the kit was? I've looked at Missing Links, Perth, and Hyperscale. I can't find the review that was initally placed here. It talked about how the kit figures came with extra heads. But more importantly, as I recall, it mentioned that the kit insturctions say to mount an incorrect set of idlers, even though the correct ones are included with the kit. Help, help!!

                        Thanks to all you guys that have much better memory than mine!!
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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