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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 2, 2004 4:01 PM
You guys wanna hear weird? I checked on my tank yesterday (had to let it sit for a few days, had other things going on). The paintjob has faded to a nice light shade of brown. Not what I'd call real light, but definetly passable....

Never had my Gunze acrylics look much different before they dried, but this was a pretty radical change. I'll try and get a couple of pics up, but it'll probably have to wait until next week.

Dan
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Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:55 PM
Thanks- I'll have to look for that one
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:41 PM
Maybe Afrika Korps tank... If you're looking for info on paint schemes, camo and such, you should read D-Day to Berlin by Terence Wise. It has a bunch of info on paint schemes, camo, and whole bunch of other info about that kind of stuff. It covers Germany, USA, and Britian. It gave me the idea for my hard to paint paint scheme.
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Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:04 PM
The dark gray is a possibility I didn't think of. that could be too
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:59 PM
Jwest,

My first thought was it was a dark gray repainted with dunkelgelb that had faded/weathered into a blending of the two colors. Of course, it could also be an artist's interpretation that didn't turn out so well on the monitor either. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:04 PM
Hmm...I am not sure, but I thought they discontinued production of the Pz III (Aug. 1943)before they switched to the red base coat (Sept. 44). Could be repainted with it? Or maybe Redbrown? Or maybe the artist was interpreting a dirty dunkelgelb a lot darker than it really was?
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:07 PM
Looks like a late war red-primer basecoat to me ed.

Some of the older Dragon kits have some strange color recommendations that don't seem to match up well against available/accurate colors. I think it's a case of they found the closest match of their preferred paint supplier and left it at that.
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Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:54 PM
that looks like a different color to me!
is that Chocolate brown?
or red primer base coat?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:43 PM
Thanks guys. Looking at the wwiiscalemodels.com link, the color that showed up on my Tiger looks like the basecoat to This guy:

Now, I wouldn't recognize an AFV if it fell out of the sky and hit me, however this looks a little too dark compared to the Tigers that are on that page (Yes, I know the linked image isn't a Tiger, but the color matched up). So, can I fake it and say that this was a late-late-late paintjob? Or is it right out?

Oh, BTW--I added about 15-20% (according to the Mk I calibrated eyeball) white to the mix..maybe I needed a little more, but it seems like I should have started out with a lighter shade in the first place.

Thanks,
Dan
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Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:19 PM
i forgot to mention from reading in "Panzer Colors" last night -
if the paint's were not thinned w/ gasoline & sprayed on, all kinds of adhesion problems followed. Esp if thinned w/ water or muddy water (surprise, surprise!)
lots of running, blending and wash off.

also, some crews applied the concentrates w/o thinning them!

meanwhile Tiger II's were getting beautiful FACTORY 3 color camo jobs,
while the war careened to a close!
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Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:05 PM
Great reference site, wildwilliam. That's a keeper for the favorites file. Mixing the paste with wasteoil really would create an interesting change to the base color, wouldn't it.
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:03 PM
Dan,
checked out Testor's pdf on scale color theory.
1/144 is shown as 28-38% (white added)
here is the link
http://www.testors.com/tes_cds/hobby_guides/08%20Special%20Effects.pdf
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Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:59 PM
Dan,
well, if they were talking abt a 'sandy' color, it was probably a "dunkel gelb" (dark yellow)
equivalent. it is a kind of yellowish tan. some see a hint of 'greenish' in there.
i don't, but colors are funny that way. :-)

this page has some color chips:
http://aura.olomouc.com/ukazka_4en.htm
i think the left most dunkelgelb is in the ball park.

i believe in scale effect too, tho i am not sure how light you would have to go
for 1/144 ! you might want to try lightening w/ a buff or tan instead of white too.

the red brown and 'grun' are in the ball park for the other colors of the three color camo.
in the Tamiya paints i use XF-61 Dark Green and Red Brown.

German tanks w/ three color camo frequently began as straight dunkelgelb vehicles.
the red brown & green were issued as concentrates made to be thinned w/ gasoline and sprayed on. the realities of war meant they were thinned w/ gasoline, waste oil, water, diesel, etc . . .
and they were applied w/ spray guns, brushes, brooms, mops, rags, hands, etc.
the variation of color & pattern are countless.

hope this helps at least a little.

on the PE - welcome to the club!
:-)

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Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:54 PM
Here is a good site for info on Panzer colors- http://www.missing-lynx.com/panzer_facts.htm. For my Three tone Tiger I used Model Master Acrylics- Dunkelgelb, Schokoladenbraun (mixed some rust in there- the brown is not reddish enough) and Panzer grun. I just had a discussion (see Tamiya Paints thread) with some guys about Tamiya's colors (dark yellow, red brown and dark green). I have a feeling that you really need to lighten up the yellow for the scale effect, ebing 144nd scale (I always do 1/35th and I lighten them somewhat, or in the case og Panzergrau, a lot). A good camo reference page I got from these forums is http://bsdi.usppp.com/wwiiscalemodels/schemes/panzertarnung.html
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Tiger Color?
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:32 PM
OK, so I decided to build my first tank. Nothing special, I picked up a couple of those Dragon 1/144 German WWII packs. Basically as a 'I need a break from my current project' type thing. (Problem is, I thought they were neat, so now I have 1/35 models of an M1A1, Chally II, Panther II, and a Bradley in the wings. Gah!) Anyway, the instructions in the Dragon kits calls for RLM 79 (might be 75, can't remember) Sandy Brown for the basecoat. So, I sprayed my Gunze acrylic on it--lightened up a bit for my first try at scale effect. And it really seems dark for a tank, almost like the MM Enamel Leather color. The reference photos that I was able to find are in black and white, so I really don't have much historical to go on, but is this accurate? I would have thought it would have been a much lighter brown, more like a modern Abrams color. Edumacate me please!

Oh yeah, the paint instructions also call for wood brown and dark green as camoflauge stripes--is that about right?

(Granted, I'm not trying to make this as historically accurate as possible, but I am curious if this is an accurate color or not)

And one last thing...this was also my first try at photoetch too. Now I know the meaning of Tweezerpult! Anyone got a spare vent grill from the E100? Big Smile [:D]

Thanks,
Dan
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