Jiefang CA-30 truck

Anonymous

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Jiefang CA-30 truck

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:52 PM

I picked up the Trumpeter 1/72 kit of this truck today. Looks like it'll be a fun little project, despite the fact I know absolutely nothing about it. Does anyone know of any good reference sites on the web (or any good books) concerning modern Chinese military subjects? All of my reference books are about either W.W.2 or I.D.F subjects. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Smile [:)]

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Rob Gronovius

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December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:15 PM

I've got the Trumpeter ZIL-157 cargo and fueler versions (the sprues say Jiefang, only the cab says ZIL). I assume they are basically the same trucks. Extra Tech makes a set of PE for the kit. It's geared for the MAC Distribution kit, but all the parts work on the Trumpeter kit and should work with the Jiefang kit. It is set #EXV 72 002 for the ZIL 157.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 1, 2003 7:08 PM

Excellent, thank you for the information.

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TomZ2

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From: Washington, DC

Posted by TomZ2 on Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:48 PM

I was able to find a JPG of EXV 72002 at:
http://www.novum.co.jp/hobby/list/model/extra/720101.html

I assume that there are headlamp cages as that's a "biggie" for
superdetailing a military truck like the ZIL-157, but it's too grainy
to make out much (any!) detail. Can you tell me what this $4
piece of aftermaket photo-etched brass extends/replaces? TIA.

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Rob Gronovius

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From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:35 PM

The ExtraTech set consists of 17 PE pieces:
1. head light guards (2 each)
2. left rear view mirror*
3. right rear view mirror*
4. windshield wipers (2 each)*
5. steering wheel*
6. front tow hooks (2 each)*
7. roof rack*
8. left taillight/license plate
9. right taillight
10. fire extinguisher rack
11. mud flaps (4 each)
*denotes a kit part replacement.
HTH

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TomZ2

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From: Washington, DC

Posted by TomZ2 on Friday, May 30, 2003 7:35 AM

Thanks!

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TomZ2

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Posted by TomZ2 on Monday, June 9, 2003 11:50 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tony Frey

Does anyone know of any good reference sites on the web (or any good books)
concerning modern Chinese military subjects?

It seems that most of what's on the web relates to the models
of the trucks, not the original vehicles. Here's what I've been
able to locate so far:

CA-30 Jiefang / ZIL-157 Truck MODELS:
http://www.mokei-wadachi.com/reikai/200111/CA30/CA-30.htm
http://trumpeter.cool.ne.jp/gallary/P-CA30.html
http://trumpeter.cool.ne.jp/gallary/N-ZIL157.html
http://www.kgwings.com/zil/zil.html

Real ZIL Truck (later model):
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE2-5/EME/15.jpg

And since we're talking about what is basically a Chinese
copy of a Russian ripoff of a Studebaker Truck:
Real Studebaker US6-62, US6-48, US6x4-62, US6x4-48:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gstuder.htm

Possible (sorry, but I cannot confirm this one) reference book:
Zaloga, Steven J., and Grandsen, James. Soviet Tanks and
Combat Vehicles of World War Two, Arms & Armour
Press, London: 1984 (out of print)

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 9, 2003 6:21 PM

Wow, thanks for the links, Tom. That website w/ the Studebaker gallery is especially interesting and quite informative. Tons of truck info! Cool [8D]

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TomZ2

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January 2003
From: Washington, DC

Posted by TomZ2 on Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:22 PM

More links:

Jiefang Chassis Poster:
http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/jft.html

Another modeler's work:
http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/cwlam2000/truck7.jpg

This is a Kraz tanker, but the design is similar and the
coloring is MOST interesting (looks like they salvaged
it after a fire):
http://www.turtleexpedition.com/adventures/russia/russianupdate5/4.htm

And the book THE BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY
by Antony C. Sutton is worth reading. Here's the chapter on trucks:
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/chapter_02.htm

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TomZ2

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Posted by TomZ2 on Monday, June 16, 2003 3:04 PM

Also found Stalin Organs Russian Rocket Launchers by Michael Foedrowitz ISBN 0-88740-669-6 for about $10, Shiffer Military/Aviation History, Shiffer Publishing, about Katyusha rockets and their launchers. Many B&W photos & illustrations.

I think the problem with finding resource material is that the Soviets never had the spare resources to document what they were doing. Other than post-meltdown stuff, I've found exactly one book with exactly one full color photo of a ZIL-157 (it was refueling a pair of Illyushins).

BTW, with all this digging I've finally noticed the big difference between a ZIL-157 and a Jiefang CA-30: the ZIL's fenders are rounded; the Jiefang's are flat on top.

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TomZ2

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Posted by TomZ2 on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:52 AM

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/max_chern/oct21/zil_157.jpg
is "Old ex-military Zil-157 from the 50's still at work. St-Petersburg 2001."
Very clear COLOR photo shows less than obvious front-end details, e.g.,
the hinges on the driver's side windscreen and a nice rusty petrol tank.

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Zil-157 pic

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:05 PM

Very nice pic, thanks for your research work. Smile [:)]

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TomZ2

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From: Washington, DC

Posted by TomZ2 on Friday, June 20, 2003 4:07 PM

Two more!

http://www.pmulcahy.com/unarmored_vehicles/chinese_unarmored_vehicles.html
has slightly-larger-than-thumbnail photos plus the skinny on Chinese soft-sided vehicles Big Smile [:D]

which is what you asked about originally.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tony Frey

Does anyone know of any good reference sites on the web (or any good books)
concerning modern Chinese military subjects?

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/Zil157.htm
has the best INTERIOR shot of a ZIL-157 I've found. [cue car salesman's voice] Please notice the lovely light orange headliner, the upholstery -- soiled gray leatherette with white piping, the tastefully rusted stickshift lever, the instrument cluster on the Soviet army green dashboard, the colorful dangling wires under the dash, the scuffed foot pedals, the floor-mounted switch array, and the detailed configuration of the inside door panel. Tongue [:P]

Somebody stop me before I get serious about opening the doors on a 1:72 truck model as I used to do in 1:25 forty years ago! Clown [:o)]

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TomZ2

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Posted by TomZ2 on Thursday, July 3, 2003 1:01 PM

I know I'm driving this into the ground, but I've got to pass this one along as well:

QUOTE: eBay Item #3136895538

ZiS/ZiL-151. 36 pages. More 100 figures. RePrint N39. Circulation is limited to 99 books. Specially created edition on the basis of the several old original repair manuals and operation of engineering for the founders of models and restorers. English summury (translated 20% books).

Please note! All Russian Motor Books RePrint series titles are published with limited edition (100 copies). The books are created on basis of original soviet manuals, instructions and albums published by USSR Ministry of Defense in various years. In the first place RePrint series books include information that can be interesting for modelists and collectors.

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