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Posted by JWest21 on Monday, October 4, 2004 2:36 PM
Wow, that's technical!! I can see the dipping in relation to the other wheels, but I wasn't sure if the ridge would result in the arms moving up or if it would result in the tank itself being pushed up. I am going to "cheat" when I do this and make the ground fairly level. I figure with all the PE, figures and diorama stuff with this, I might not want to make it too complicated.
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Posted by ABARNE on Monday, October 4, 2004 2:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Moses

As for the second question, if I am not mistaken, the Tamiya King Tiger has the wheel arms positioned at the fullest range.


You sure about that? If the kit is made to look like a Tiger II sitting on a perfectly level field, the suspension would need to be molded in a neutral, but otherwise loaded position. If so, it seems that the arms would have to be able to have a travel range both above and below this position. When the attached wheel traverses over a trough, its loading with respect to the other wheels would lessen, and thus the arm would dip. Likewise, when the attached wheel traverses over a ridge, the loading with respect to the other wheels would increase, and thus the arm would rise.
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Posted by JWest21 on Monday, October 4, 2004 8:24 AM
Oh, I hear you on that. I always see things I can't replicate
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 4, 2004 7:32 AM
Jason, I lied, the customer picked up the beast this weekend. However, stuff like tha comes in all the time, so I will try later. In the mean time, head to your local construction site and take a gander at the heavy equipment there (or rental place). All that stuff is well used and not parade maintained like the stuff at you local armory. Plenty of mud, rust, chipped paint, everything except bullet marks (I hope at least!!!).

My trouble is, I have a pretty good idea how the stuff is supposed to look, I'm just a no talent slob when it comes to replicating it!!

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Posted by JWest21 on Sunday, October 3, 2004 8:30 PM
you sure are valuable, Ted. Thanks in advance for the pics
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 3, 2004 8:27 PM
Jason,

We have an old track hoe at the shop in for some repairs to the bucket. It has steel wheels, much like the King would have had. I will try and take a pic or 2 in the morning to see if that helps. It's been my experience in real life that even the surfaces that are worn "shiny" would corrode, oxidize, rust, to a bright orange by morning, especiallyin a damp atmosphere. Not real sure about WWII German stuff, I am learning about that as I go. Never realized that working around this crap would ever come in handy!!!

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Posted by JWest21 on Sunday, October 3, 2004 2:56 PM
Probably should give it a nice bown/rust wash
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Posted by diggeraone on Sunday, October 3, 2004 2:18 PM
If you want you can allways take a small needle heated were the steel shows.Take the heated needle and put very small holes to show pitting from rust.Digger
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Posted by JWest21 on Sunday, October 3, 2004 12:49 PM
thanks armormaster.
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by JWest21 on Sunday, October 3, 2004 12:47 PM
Thanks Brian. I can dig some out from the old tackle box and have something tangible to compare it to. My project is becoming more involved every day!
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 3, 2004 12:46 PM
Yes, just as everyone's said, the paint would be worn away from the contacting parts of the wheel. I'd try painting it gunmetal. Hope it helps!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 3, 2004 12:36 PM
hi jason im brian,from the pics ive come across in the last 18 yrs in the armor field ,i`de almost bet the color of the outside of the road wheel would be look just like a lead fishing wieght used a couple of times.......not to shiny.....the elements your tigers going to be exposed to is going to be almost impossible to see that outer edge any way.between the pics and the written account of tiger crews, the tiger had nothing but problem after problem with mud/ice jamming up the road wheel.just recently ive seen pics of tiger crews removing the first outside road wheels subjected to those elements............anywho cant wait to see your project,im sure it`ll turn out better than you expect.......................brian
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Posted by JWest21 on Sunday, October 3, 2004 11:20 AM
Thanks again! I can't wait to start this thing
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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Posted by Moses on Sunday, October 3, 2004 10:24 AM
To answer your first question Jason, the steel road wheels could become polished from rubbing against the tracks.

As for the second question, if I am not mistaken, the Tamiya King Tiger has the wheel arms positioned at the fullest range. If you want to simulate different slopes in the ground, just clip the back part of the wheel arm and glue the wheel arm in the desired place. My advice is to not do this until you have done your groundwork.

Cheers

Mo
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King Tiger road wheels
Posted by JWest21 on Sunday, October 3, 2004 8:44 AM
OK, since my daughter woke me crying at 3 and I could not get back to sleep until 4, I had a lot of thinking time, which I devoted to my upcoming Battle of the Bulge King Tiger project. I have two things that I wasn't quite sure of:
1) The King Tiger has steel road wheels. Would the part of the wheel that made contact with the tracks be a plished shiny steel color due to friction or would it be a dullish color? Or none of the above? (Tediam the Steel expert, where are you?)

2) I think I am going to attempted my first diorama, with the tank driving over the frozen/muddy ground. Therefore, I would have to illustrate some action in the road wheels, My question here is: is the position that the Tamiya kit instructions have the road wheel arms the uppermost range of motion for them? In other words, I could make some wheel arms drop down some to match the contour or the ground, but I wouldn't want to angle any upward more, would I?

I need to quit thinking of this stuff all the time
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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