Use of Future on amor models?

espins1

Member since
December 2002
From: Reno, NV

Use of Future on amor models?

Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:11 PM

I have a dilema. I read online and in magazines that Future is great to use over the flat paint of the armor model to ensure the decals snuggle down well. I tried that with 2 projects I'm working on (Tamiya 1/35 Sherman and Jagdpanther). The decals went on very nicely, I then sprayed both models with a nice clear flat laquer to prep them for the upcoming oil wash I want to try.

The problem is that you can clearly see where I applied the future under the flat coat of laquer. Did I do something wrong? Should I have applied future to the entire model before I applied the decals and flat laquer?

I would really appreciate some suggestions on how I can fix these two models and how to do it better on my next projects.
Thanks in advance.

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers My Reviews

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 4:58 PM

I use the same technique with success on my last 6 tanks. I just went into my model room and double checked and I cannot see where the future is. I make sure to brush on light coats and I only put it where I want the decal to go. You said you use a laquer. I use Model Master Acrylic Flat., misted in 3 or four light coats. Try the acrylic and see. Maybe the laquer doesn't react as well?

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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espins1

Member since
December 2002
From: Reno, NV

Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 5:46 PM

hmmm... maybe I put it on too think, the area I put it on was a bit larger than exactly where the decal would cover, it's very obvious where the future was. The tint/sheen of both the Dunkel Gelb and the Olive Drab is different where the future is, more so with the Dunkel Gelb. I have applied two coats of the Model Master Cler Lacquer Lusterless (Flat). Should I put on another coat or two? Should I have thinned the Future a bit before I applied it?

Thanks for your input.

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers My Reviews

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 5:51 PM

I don't thin the future at all. I don't know of anymore coats will help if the future is on too thick, however.

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 10:36 PM

Just my 2 cents here Espins1 I do the same technique as you including the Laquer flat finish and as of this moment,, knock on wood,, haven't had a problem. After I apply the flat coat you can still to a degree see the future but once I apply the wash you can no longer see the future. If it shows really bad I would say apply another coat of the flat laquer,, and see what happens. I know when I apply the future I make sure it is a thin coat i:e get as much out of the brush as possible and appl a thin coat,, simply because of the fact that it will puddle up in low spots if you put to much on. Hope this helps.

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renarts

Member since
April 2003
From: Sunny Florida

Posted by renarts on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 10:41 PM

I've been spraying the first coat of Future straight from the bottle. I apply my decals, do my washes and then spray a mix of Future and Tamiya Flat Base. I get a nice flat finish, any decal edges disapear and a good base coat for dry brushing and pastels.

If you spray the future though, you must compensate for the darkening of your paint finish. So I make my paint lighter than normal and the future darkens it to the desired color.

Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"

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Foster7155

Member since
July 2003
From: Pensacola, FL

Posted by Foster7155 on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 10:52 PM

I've never really noticed that much of a color change with Future, but I imagine that the type of paint you use will probably have at lot to do with it. I spray it straight over the entire model in two or three light coats. After applying my decals, I'll hit the whole model again with another one or two coats. Then come the washes (you want a gloss base for these), a flat top coat, and finally pastels or other weathering.

Enjoy your modeling...

Robert Foster

Pensacola Modeleers

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wbill76

Member since
July 2004
From: Texas

Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, October 7, 2004 10:05 AM

One thing you could also try to do to correct the different color shading would be to carefully drybrush some of the original color around the affected decals to blend them in to the body. This requires a virtually dry brush and lots of patient application, but it can help mitigate or eliminate the shading contrast that you are describing as well as add weathering/realism to the model itself.

I've never used the future method so can't comment on why it might have turned out this way. Sad [:(]

BP Models

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Moses

Member since
February 2003
From: Long Island

Posted by Moses on Thursday, October 7, 2004 10:29 AM

I have never used Future on a model and never will. I am sorry that I am going against the grain, but I refuse to use it. I also never give an overall dullcote to my models as I personally feel it gives an unnatural dullness to the paint. I almost always use dry transfers and stencils for my markings, but in the event that I need to use a kit decal, I spray a little Tamiya Clear to where the marking will go and then spray a mixture of Tamiya Clear with Tamiya Flat Base over it. Once the wash is applied, the area that was prepared for the decal visually blends in with the rest of the model.

Cheers

Mo

"ZIM FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER!!"

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Thursday, October 7, 2004 10:58 AM

If you cannot get the demarcation line to go away with either the additional flat coats or airbrushing around it, you may want to try expanding the future coated area to the entire panel or side, using the panel line or weld seem as an end point. Not the best way, but it should give the entire panel a uniform color. By the way, I just finished my Tamiya Jagdpanther last night and used the technique I described above and it turned out good. I will try to get some pics up by tonight.

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Thursday, October 7, 2004 3:37 PM

espins1, the I posted pics of the JAgdpanther I did with future used where the decals go. I also forgot to mention that I dusted the model with Tamiya Buff to tone down the decals/camo/etc. to that also helped sull up where the future was

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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buff

Member since
December 2003
From: Montreal

Posted by buff on Thursday, October 7, 2004 7:28 PM

I have used Future as well before decaling, but only on the surfaces where I will put down decals. I have never been able to make the Future/Tamiya Flat base method work. No matter how I mix them, I always ended up with a white finish. I used Polly Scale flat instead last time around, and got a very even, very dull finish.

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Thursday, October 7, 2004 7:51 PM

I use the Model Master Acryl flat then I mist the Tamiya buff. the Model Master doesn't look white. Maybe there some sort of compatibilty with the Tamiya flat and the future?

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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okieboy

Member since
July 2003
From: USA

Posted by okieboy on Thursday, October 7, 2004 8:08 PM

I've used Future a couple of times. I spray the whole tank with it, let it dry and then do my washes. Then I give it a dull coat to seal it in. So far I've haven't used decals and had to airbrush all of my numbers and insignia because of the zimmerit.

Okieboy

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