foliage on armor

JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

foliage on armor

Posted by JWest21 on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:03 PM

I am full of questions tonight. How do you guys represent branches and leaves that are occasionally placed on tanks for additional camo? I have seen some PE leaves of different trees online. What types of trees are common in Europe??

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:52 PM

interesting u should bring this up. i recently finished my panzer IV and decided to put foliage on it. i made branches out of wire and cut tiny diamonds out of paper, dipped the wire in glue and ran it through a pile of these leaves. good thing about this is that if u dont like it, its non-binding, just dont use it. good luck

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:37 AM

MurderDog is there any way to see the finished product from that technique, and i know the you can get some of those little punch outs from a craft store in the shape of leaves, or a few companys like hudson and allen make paper one too.

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Foster7155

Member since
July 2003
From: Pensacola, FL

Posted by Foster7155 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:01 AM

Western Europe is covered in pine trees and pine boughs were commonly used on AFV's. Hudson and Allen have some very realistic looking pine boughs.

I haven't yet built a vehicle with foliage or I would have done research and had more answers for you.

Enjoy your modeling...

Robert Foster

Pensacola Modeleers

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Jeff Gunn

Member since
September 2004
From: Henlow, England

Posted by Jeff Gunn on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:59 AM

Pine trees were more more common in the South Rhine / Ardens type areas. As for France, the Low Countries and North German Planes you would be looking at more the Elm, Oak, Willow all that sort of thing. Remembering the small bush type of trees that made up the hedgrows of the Bocage in Normandy. Now, the fastening of the trees to a vehicle is an interesting thing. This seemed to have been done in an adhoc fashion bye cutting off a big branch and lying it across said vehicle. I even remember personally seeing turfs being placed on arnoured vehicles (no not during WWII, but in recent times) the vehicles looked like mobile lawns !!!!! Good point to note though keep the cam away from the exhaust it has a nasty habit of catching fire.

JG Per Ardua

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JWest21

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December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:33 AM

Thanks guys- Very useful!

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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zokissima

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July 2003
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:10 PM

I've used a method that is similar to MurderDoggs. I actually use normal, small branches, and use spray adhesive to add lichen and other foliage to said branches. After that, simply glue on model Smile [:)]

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JWest21

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December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:17 PM

where do you get the small branches

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:47 PM

off of trees maybe?

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Mikeym_us

Member since
March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:04 PM

use the smallest of twigs prefferably the points off the main branch since those would be in scale with actual branches (use a dead tree it would be harmful to use a branch from a live tree). And as for the Pine boughs they had to regularly replace those since they died off very quickly since it would be easy to spot a tank if it was covered in dead pine boughs. and lastly if you want to cover your tank in leaves instead I suggest heading to the model railroad section of your LHS they have a fine selection of foliage from Woodland Scenics that are pretty much in scale with most 1/35 scale models.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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JWest21

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December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:11 PM

The woodland scenics is the powder like foliage? What got me asking this is the fantastic M-18 Hellcat by Luke Pitt- http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/lpm18.htm
His seems to have individual leaves (maybe PE)

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:04 PM

Jason,, I recently finished my PZ IVJ and put foilage on it. What I used was some tree looking stuff I picked up at Micheals Arts and Crafts store. Go into the floral arangements section and you will find plenty of what your looking for. Here you go Jason here is a pic of it.

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JWest21

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December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:53 PM

feldgrau- I would like to see that picture. There wasn't anything on your last post- just the dreaded red X. Funny you mentioned Michaels- I just drove by our local Michaels earlier and wondered what they would have. Guess I will be stopping in

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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crockett

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April 2004
From: The cornfields of Ohio

Posted by crockett on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:08 PM

Jason,

You know this subject is a real sticking point with me. I love German Armor, and I know that when I build a kit that is supposed to be a vehicle stationed in France after D Day, that it should be covered in foliage. The German crews were obviously concerned with preserving thier lives and not presenting an appetizing target to the "Jabos". I just can't bring myself to cover up my paint and weathering with a bunch of bushes or camo nets. My hat is off to you for trying to deal with it, but I must say, when I see a post of a nice Tiger or panther covered up with nets and bushes, I'm sort of disappointed in a way. It is realistic and accurate, but, I want to see the model.

Steve

Tigers no Lions, no Bears...OH MY

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:17 PM

Jason,,, Micheals is a cornacopia for the oddball stuff you might need,,,, I:E Pastels,, Paint brushes, and believe it or not they do have a small bit of modeling supplies as well.

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:40 PM

Crockett- I agree with you- I don't want to spend 40-50 hours doing a model only to cover it up. I plan to add just a little to add character with out obscuring it. I will work under the assumptions that there will be no Jabos to hide from at my house- just a cat and two kids (scary enough!)

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Mikeym_us

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March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:53 PM

the woodlands scenics powdered foliage is the static grass the leaves are more defined and you get alot in one package they come in maple leaf ,oak, and walnut shapes and in the different colors the leaves usually are in the fall. but seriously have you ever thought about the leaf pattern camouflage there was a article in FSM that covered that a few years back.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 5:45 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by A.F.D.

MurderDog is there any way to see the finished product from that technique

ill try to post pics if i hae a chance. im kind of swamped with college applications now but ill get the pics up eventually

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:08 PM

Mikeym_us I must have missed the FSM article. I have back issues to 1996, so if you remember what issue, let me know. I looked at my LHS and all they had was the powdered foliage. I must need to order it

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Mikeym_us

Member since
March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, October 15, 2004 9:28 PM

Found it May 2000 issue page 34

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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JWest21

Member since
December 2002
From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Friday, October 15, 2004 10:28 PM

thanks- going to have to dig that out

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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