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Weathering the Muzzel Break on the Tiger

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Weathering the Muzzel Break on the Tiger
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 25, 2004 10:33 PM
G'Day Gang !

Can anyone please tell me how do you get the Black stain on Muzzel Break of the Barrel.

Thanks
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Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, October 25, 2004 10:39 PM
I just drybrush it black. In the last FSM Mathew Usher used black pastels.
John
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, October 25, 2004 10:47 PM
You can also airbrush it with flat black.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 25, 2004 10:48 PM
This is how I do it:
First, I paint inside the brake black, don't worry too much about geting a little on the outside near the openings.
Second, I grind grind up some black pastel chalk (just rub the stick on sandpaper) and apply it with an old paint brush that has the bristles cut down to about 1/8 inch. using the brush I grind it in around the muzzle and vent openings.
I repeat this step as necessary, starting at the muzle and working farther back each time to get a nice fade as it gets farther from the muzzle.

This is an easy technique to learn and with very little practice you can get any look you want from "recruit" to "battle hardend veteran"
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Posted by tigerman on Monday, October 25, 2004 11:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

You can also airbrush it with flat black.


That's what I do, then drybrush it with slightly lighter colors.

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 Eric 

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Posted by TigerII on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:22 AM
Try Dwight's idea of airbrushing the inside, NOT in black but in soot. Soot is a mixture of Flat Black (2/3) and Flat Brown (1/3). This will give you the look that you want. And then use the the black pastel to add to the outside of the barrel.

TigerII
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Posted by Jeff Gunn on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:28 AM
I like to put a bit of grafite on the end of the muzzel to give the bare metal effect from firing and cleaning
JG Per Ardua
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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:29 AM
Good advice from all!

Just to clear up an often repeated mistake, the proper spelling is:

MUZZLE BRAKE

I don't mean to be a spelling Nazi, but that one seems to be misspelled all the time by everybody! Big Smile [:D]
~Brian
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Posted by Jeff Gunn on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:54 AM
I only copied the guy above honest...

what do you think J splet wrong that he had to edit his post Wink [;)]
JG Per Ardua
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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff Gunn

I only copied the guy above honest...

what do you think J splet wrong that he had to edit his post Wink [;)]


Heh heh!Big Smile [:D]
No, no...I didn't spell nuthin' wrong no how...this time!
Just wanted to italicize a few things...yup, that's what I did, alright!Wink [;)]
Italicize!

Back to muzzle brakes, though...this has come up before, but are they really even that blackened on the outside?
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:31 PM
And don't over-do it. Fade the scorch marks to the point where the muzzle brake meets the barrel, no further.

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:41 PM
If you are trying to depict one that has been in action, the soot on the outside should be lighter than that on the inside for obvious reasons. I prefer to use the black pastel method myself as you have more control over the fading and overall finish/contrast, but there's no one magic method depending on the look you want. I've read of some using thinned washes to accomplish the same thing, so it's all up to what you have available to you and what look you are after. I agree with skii though that you shouldn't have soot/scorching going past where the brake mates up with the actual muzzle to keep from overdoing the look.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:49 PM
Why do you paint in black barrel's muzzle ? Since very long time ago we stopped using black powder in ammunitions !!!!!!!
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Posted by Jeff Gunn on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:59 PM
Im sure you dont spell italicize (is that an english US dictionary you are using) with a Z (that is zed ....not zeee), hell im not even sure if its a word !!! Wink [;)]
JG Per Ardua
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:36 PM
Ok you're right ! You're a Z expert but it didn't answer to my point of view ! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:27 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by piwi

Why do you paint in black barrel's muzzle ? Since very long time ago we stopped using black powder in ammunitions !!!!!!!


The "smokeless" powders used in WW II were nothing like what is used now. Granted the Germans used the best for their small arms during the war but the ammunition for the big guns still had a high Cordite content and was generally of lower quality (this was true of all armies).
During heavy combat soot/burning powder would be deposited on the barrel and some would remain even after wiping down the barrel and over the course of several months this deposit could get quite heavy.



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Posted by spector822002 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:02 PM
I give it a glancing blow with flat black through the airbrush , then blend it with black pastel
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Posted by spector822002 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by piwi

Why do you paint in black barrel's muzzle ? Since very long time ago we stopped using black powder in ammunitions !!!!!!!
Its to simulate cordite " burn " which does leave a black residue .
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:37 PM
I use powered graphite that I got from a hardware store in a tube. It's typicallly used as a dry lubricant for car locks, etc.. I pour out a little pile on a sheet of paper and then apply with a old brush or even a Q-tip.

HTH
Glenn
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:39 AM
Thanks Derek and Spector. THAT answer to my question !
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