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Dragon 's new M4A2(76)

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Dragon 's new M4A2(76)
Posted by Bwog on Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:13 PM
Guys,

Can Dragon's new Russian M4A2(76) be built as a US version without a ton of modifications? or is a US version due to be released?

V/r, BW
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:43 PM
there are US versions coming out soon
a M4A2 pacific and a M4A3
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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:11 PM
I don't know much about Sherms, what makes the Russian version unique?

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 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:15 PM
it was a Deisel engine and had some russian upgrades/ downgrades
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:17 PM
I do not believe the US used the M4A2 with the 76mm turret. The Marines used the M4A2 with the 75mm turret. The main difference is the entire turret is different including the main gun. Hatches and .50 cal were the same but that's about it.
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Posted by kaleu on Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:24 PM
Overall the Russians did like the M4A2. They weren't happy with the armor, but liked the reliability, speed and the gun.
Erik "Don't fruit the beer." Newest model buys: More than I care to think about. It's time for a support group.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:13 PM
I was under the impression that the Russians used the M4A2 because that's what we sent them. Smile [:)] Anyway, yes, it was the engine that was the chief difference between different designations. Shermans used a bewildering variety of turrets, suspensions, transmission covers, etc, but an M4A3 always had the Ford engine, an M4/M4A1 always used the the Wright, M4A4 the Chrysler multibank, and so on.

I don't know about the turret. The 76-gunned Shermans had a different turret than the 75mm models, but I don't know if the Russian ones had yet another turret besides that.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman

there are US versions coming out soon
a M4A2 pacific and a M4A3

But not the M4A1? Sad [:(]


M.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2004 10:03 PM
I have nothing to add to this discussion, except that I just bought the kit in question and it looks great! One odd thing is that the tracks are vinyl, never seen this on a dragon release before. Comes with metal barrel, clear vision blocks, metal wire, pe for light covers etc, and a vinyl cover for the mantlet.
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Posted by tigerman on Monday, November 1, 2004 12:41 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kaleu

Overall the Russians did like the M4A2. They weren't happy with the armor, but liked the reliability, speed and the gun.


That was kind of all I heard about them. Was the 76mm Russian? If not, why weren't more of our Shermies armed with the 76mm?

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 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 1, 2004 6:30 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MarianLH



QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman

there are US versions coming out soon
a M4A2 pacific and a M4A3

But not the M4A1? Sad [:(]


M.


Dragons M4A1 early should be out already, but it hasnt been retooled or have any of the new bits the M4A2 has in its box Sad [:(]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 1, 2004 8:46 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman
That was kind of all I heard about them. Was the 76mm Russian? If not, why weren't more of our Shermies armed with the 76mm?

Because the Army didn't want them. Their official position was that tanks were for supporting infantry. Killing enemy tanks was the job of the Tank Destroyer battalions, not the Shermans, and it took a lot of brewed-up Shermans to change their minds.

A lot of tankers didn't want them either, because the 75mm had a wider variety of ammo types, so it was more versatile, and it was widely believed that good tactics and mobility could overcome the Panthers and Tigers.


QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman
Dragons M4A1 early should be out already, but it hasnt been retooled or have any of the new bits the M4A2 has in its box Sad [:(]

It is? So it is--VLS has one. Dunce [D)]


M/
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Posted by tigerman on Monday, November 1, 2004 12:48 PM
Thanks Marian. Too bad it took so many good crews for the army to see the light.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 2, 2004 12:23 AM
The Soviets,under lend-lease,only recieved the M4A2 diesel engined Sherman in both 75mm and 76mm gun versions.In fact the largest share of the 76mm M4A2's went to the Soviets who usually issued them to favoured gaurd units.
They never complained about the Shermans tendancy to burn quickly which,given they only had diesel engined Shermans,would lend creedence to those who would suggest fuel was the major cause of the "Ronson effect.
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