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  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Australia
Posted by wooty on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:23 PM
Thanks Rob Savage,
That is a very good idea leaving the purchas of a kit for a while ( i didn't really think of that). The Kit i have here with me is Trumpeter M1A1HA. It has all the non-slip surfacing and has the armoured covered strip over the smoke canister cable. From what i have heard all there is to do is add a little brass here and there and maybe some bolt heads and that should be it.
One thing i read in the "Tweaks List" that the APU is way under scale so a scratch build there is a must.
Thanks For Everything Here!!!
Robert

Rob..

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:41 PM
I've noticed it. Italeri's HMMWV chassis has undergone at least three iterations of change since it came out in the 80s. No fanfare or "new tooling" on the box.
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:49 PM
Hi Wooty, the kit was purchased in Oct of 2003, and it was the Trumpeter M1A1HA with the mine rollers. I have noticed that Trumpeter does modify the molds on a continuing basis. I purchased at the same time, one of the T-55 kits, the T-55B 1952 version. The reason I say this is that the turrent was slightly different than a earlier kit (the T69II) dated about 14 months earler. I think that most of the manufacturers do this, without saying anything.

Example; I purchased way back, in 1993 timeframe, the Tamyia T-62 kit, and around the same time I finally found the articles on how to fix the bugs in the kit, by Babic(sp?) that were done in 1988, in another magazine.

I noticed that the description on how to fix the hull errors, was not needed, as the Tamiya kit that this alread done. Other small fixes in detail, that Babic called out, had also been fixed.

In the mentioned above Trumpeter T-55 kit, Sewell, in his reviews of the T-55 kits, indicates that the turrent sits to far back on the hull top, and he then goes an describes a fix or solution to this. I noticed in my T-55 kit, that this was not needed, as it sat forward about 2mm from the earlier Trumpeter kit that I had done about 14 months earlier.

In the end, as I have said, I beleve that the manufacturers do fix small problems, if they can. It depends, I think, on the location of the error, and just how hard it would be, on the master of the mould.

This is why I check out revews and comments about each and every kit I choose to do, and I advoid the one's that seem to have to many errors. I just wait for a year or so, and then I purchase the kit, making sure that it is a recently produced one, not one that has sat on the shelf at the LHS. Sure, all kits will have errors/compromises of details, for it is sometimes hard to copy all of the details correctly, due to the moulding process. This is why it was noted above, that the M1A2's were all reworked tanks, and to make the tank model correct, you actually had to make a A1, then include the corrections

What I don't like is shorcuts in details, or simplifications, just to make it easier to produce the kit.

I hope that this helps!

Rob Savage

P.S. A question to all, have you noticed the same thing too, that after a time, the manufacturers will correct small errors in kits, without saying anything, that I have noticed?

RJS
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Australia
Posted by wooty on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:46 AM
Hey Thanks Rob!!!
how old was the kit you built?
Just wondering 'cause this kit has the armoured cover for the cable to the smoke canisters. It is already on the turrent>
Anyway all that info was greatfully appreciated from you both !!!!

Thanks Again,
Robert

Rob..

  • Member since
    April 2004
  • From: The cornfields of Ohio
Posted by crockett on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 6:28 PM
Just an added note, not too many people know that all the A2's that were issued to the United States Armed Forces were not new manufacture. They were refitted (upgraded)A1 hulls and turrets. This fact can only be appreciated when we realize that the only "brand new" M1A2's on the planet were manufactured for Saudi Arabia. The original production run was plagued by serious fire control and other issues. Bloc 2 improvements solved most of the bugs.

Steve
  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 3:30 PM
Get the "Tweaks List" on the kit (do a Google search) and it will explain the fixes you need to do. I spent about 5-6 months doing the kit, and I was satisfied with the results. In a nutshell, the turrent on the left side, is 3mm short. The rear light guard needs to be replaced with plastic tube, there is missing the armoured covers on the cabling for the smoke mortars(on the turrent top), and the sponsons need to be filled in. A small tip, just take the upper hull and trace the outline on a sheet of plastic (.050+) and this will give you the outline for the sponson sides. (this is not explained in the Tweaks List well)

You also need to re-shape the connector from the CPU to the cable junction box (this part is missing in the kit, .... I used a brass rod to simulate this cable then covered it with the appropriate shape of plastic for the armour over it. (see reference pic's to see what I mean here) .... the kits junction box needs to be more angular, and you need to etch a separate "L" shape line on the top (again check the pic's for this too)

You need to make the loader's hatch lock, on the left blow-out pannel. Thin the rails on the sides of the turrent, by about 30% and the same for the turrent basket. The biggest error is the Put-Put, or CPU, as it is undersized in the kit.

Go to Vodink's website, and check out his review's on the M1A1 kits, to see what I mean here.

Also go to Major Rob's website for pictures of the M1A1. These are indespensible for correcting the kit.

I found that the Trumpeter's kit well done, as I did the one witht he mine plow. Be advised though, this plow was NOT USED in OIF, and was only used once in the Second Gulf War, in 1991, with the loss of the tank that used it. The solid wheels of the plow, just dug in, in the sand and the tank missed a mine that blew off the track.

Also there are differences between the Marines M1A1's and the Army's. Ask Major Rob for a run-down here, as I do not have my work-up book on the Abrams infront of me at the moment.

Also do a "Google" search for as many pictures as possible, as there are 100's of them, that show great details.

This should help!

Rob Savage
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Australia
Posted by wooty on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 1:35 PM
Hey Thanks Guys,
This kit i got has already got the non-slip surface on it which i hear is a must for the Abrams. But what i heard from you guys and with a little extra detail here and there it should be ok. I just wanted to make sure that the M1A1HA was actually used in OIF!
Thanks Guys,
Robert

Rob..

  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 9:45 AM
Can't comment any more on the type, but I built the Trumpeter M1A2 kit, which is essentially the same offering, save a few differences. It's a sound kit. It needs some work, as the quality and fit is definitely not top of the line. However, take some care in assembly, and everything should fit nice and tight. I didn't run into any major problems, save the rear turret bin, as it didn't allign properly.
  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 6:36 AM
The M1A1 Heavy Common (aka M1A1HA) was the most common Abrams variant during OIF. The M1A2SEP did not show up until after the ground war "ceased". The M1A2 and M1A2SEP are still relatively rare tanks in the US with only one full division (4th), one partial division (1st Cav) and one ACR (3rd) equipped with the A2.

The tanks rolling across the screen on TV yesterday and this week are mainly USMC and US Army M1A1HA.
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Australia
Posted by wooty on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 3:52 AM
Hey Thanks J...
Yeah i would love to get CNN but where i am its no go hey !!!
Umm i will keep an eye out in the papers for anything i wanna do this model based on the Abrams in OIF!!
Thanks Again,
Robert
P.S Anyone ever built this kit ???

Rob..

  • Member since
    October 2004
  • From: Katy, TX
Posted by jthurston on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 2:19 AM
Most of what I've seen over is the M1A2, although those serving with the roll-up units (those that "rolled up" through Iraq in March 03) I think were a mix of A2's and A1's. Lots of M1A1 Heavies, some of those tanks were also in Desert Shield / Desert Storm.

Check out your CNN coverage of the Fallujah fight that's going on right now, I think you'll see a few USMC M1A1's punching through.

~J
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Australia
Trumpeter 1/35 M1A1 Abrams..
Posted by wooty on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 1:28 AM
Hi Guys,
I just picked up the above kit and was wondering if this type of tank actually served in OIF? And has anyone ever had anything to do with this kit?
Thanks Very Much!!
Robert

Rob..

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