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                        Who do you think will win??? (AFV club vs. Dragon)

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                        rebelreenactor
                        • Member since
                          October 2003
                        • From: Clovis, Calif
                        Who do you think will win??? (AFV club vs. Dragon)
                        Posted by rebelreenactor on Sunday, December 5, 2004 2:18 AM
                        well, these two are really going at it. they are producing the same kits at the same time.
                        Afv club is offering very nice kits that are dead on accuracy. While Dragon is offering boatloads of extras but with less accuracy.

                        So what kits do you plan to buy from what makers?

                        I will go by both over time but i think I will start out with dragon. The extras are to good to pass up, and at the prices they offer compared to AFV club...[:0]
                        John
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                        nmayhew
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Kent, England
                        Posted by nmayhew on Sunday, December 5, 2004 6:21 AM
                        dragon seems to be looking good for me, but i'm still keen to see AFV do some more mainstream stuff

                        ...just so long as tamiya gets the kicking it deserves for complacency and over-pricing i don't really care!!!Angry [:(!]Angry [:(!]Angry [:(!]
                        Wink [;)]
                        Kind regards, Nicholas
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 5, 2004 7:04 AM
                        well, i'm hearing great things about AFV's M18 Hellcat so that is on my christmas list. I also want Dragon's 3-in-1
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:40 AM
                        Seems to me as long as there's competion between more than one company then the 'winners' are the end-users, meaning us modelers! I'm for that! So what does it say about Tamiya moving from 1/35th to 1/48th? Have they been on top of the 1/35th market for so long that they have lost interest in remaining there? Let's hear it for AFV Club and Dragon! Another thing to factor in is that AFV Club comes from Taiwan and Dragon comes from Hong Kong, which I read as China! Some history there between those two countries there, huh? Enjoy!

                        Glenn

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                        wbill76
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                          July 2004
                        • From: Texas
                        Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, December 5, 2004 11:15 AM
                        For me, Dragon's inclination towards inclusion of normally AM stuff like aluminum barrels and PE grills make them a better value vs. AFV even with somewhat less overall accuracy. I'm not a bolt/rivet counter when it comes to things like that so my tolerance level is somewhat broader than others in that arena.

                        I'm definitely in agreement with Glenn, competition is good whether between Dragon and AFV, Dragon and Trumpeter, Dragon and Tamiya, the consumer ultimately benefits from more choices and better market price points to determine their buying.

                        BP Models

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 5, 2004 11:23 AM
                        personally Ive never bought an afv kit so I really cant comment on their quality, but I have been very impressed with the new dragon kits and all the extras. and the prices. Given that the AFV kits Ive seen in the shop are usually at least 30% more, I'll buy the dragon one every time. Im like Bill when it comes to accuracy, 2 mm here or there doesnt really matter to me.
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                        diggeraone
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
                        Posted by diggeraone on Sunday, December 5, 2004 11:28 AM
                        The real winner is us as modellers when we have choices in kits from one company to the other,Digger
                        Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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                        tigerman
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Sunday, December 5, 2004 2:12 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by wbill76

                        For me, Dragon's inclination towards inclusion of normally AM stuff like aluminum barrels and PE grills make them a better value vs. AFV even with somewhat less overall accuracy. I'm not a bolt/rivet counter when it comes to things like that so my tolerance level is somewhat broader than others in that arena.

                        I'm definitely in agreement with Glenn, competition is good whether between Dragon and AFV, Dragon and Trumpeter, Dragon and Tamiya, the consumer ultimately benefits from more choices and better market price points to determine their buying.


                        Yup, I agree with that. The consumer is the ultimate winner. Dragon still offers the most for the least.



















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                         Eric 

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                        Foster7155
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Pensacola, FL
                        Posted by Foster7155 on Sunday, December 5, 2004 2:22 PM
                        I would agree that both companies are setting the standards that others will have to attain and the ultimate winners are modelers. From a purely sales point of view, I would assume that DML is out selling AFV Club by quite a substantial margin and it will take quite a shift in model-buying habits worldwide to change this. All-in-all, it's good, health competition that benefits all of us.

                        Robert Foster

                        Pensacola Modeleers

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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 5, 2004 3:47 PM
                        there are some inacurate AFV Club kits (like there Hellcat, the Academy ones ment to be better. i have both and dont like the AFV clubs barrel)

                        The Dragon Panther, Kingtiger, Nashorn, Jagdtigerand Hetzer kits are great kits and Dragon are £10 cheaper than AFV Club kits (over here)
                        so im going with Dragon all the way
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                        kaleu
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Racing capital of the world- Indy
                        Posted by kaleu on Sunday, December 5, 2004 4:26 PM
                        I have bought 251's from both companies and I think they are equally great. AFV Club has great detail and does put some extra parts in the first edition released of their kits. I just bought the DML 3 in 1 251and I love the extra parts. My parts bin will be overflowing soon. I'm still not sure about buying the Tigers that are being released by these two companies. I guess I will just have to wait and see what comes in the boxes. I wonder if DML could be talked into doing a 3 in 1 Sherman or a 3 in 1 U.S. WW2 halftrack kits.
                        Erik "Don't fruit the beer." Newest model buys: More than I care to think about. It's time for a support group.
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                        tigerman
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Sunday, December 5, 2004 4:31 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by kaleu
                        I wonder if DML could be talked into doing a 3 in 1 Sherman or a 3 in 1 U.S. WW2 halftrack kits.


                        You never know Erik. This might be a new concept that they are watching closely to determine what direction they take for the future. I for one am going to grab the new Tiger when it is available, though I wouldn't mind a mid-pro one. At least Dragon has apparently studied what the consumer is looking for in a kit and has hit a homerun with their new 3 in 1's.

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                         Eric 

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 5, 2004 5:11 PM
                        On the surface, I would throw my support behind 'Dragon'. They/It seems to produce a broader spectrum of kits (in 1/35). However...AFV does a better job in terms of addressing the various skill levels of modelers. (I think to the issue of tracks) AFV provides the, albeit less stylish, one piece vinyl tracks...while Dragon consistently includes the 'build it yourself' track. For less experienced modelers, the latter might prove a bit too much in terms of a challenge. If asked to recommend one of the two...I would edorse AFV.
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                        rebelreenactor
                        • Member since
                          October 2003
                        • From: Clovis, Calif
                        Posted by rebelreenactor on Sunday, December 5, 2004 5:43 PM
                        I never thought of it like that, we the modelers are winning. Thats a really good point!
                        John
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                        Tankmaster7
                        • Member since
                          August 2004
                        • From: Nowhere. (Long Island)
                        Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, December 5, 2004 6:19 PM
                        im gonna go with dragon. look at all the extras!!! i can pass up a little accuracy for that!
                        -Tanky Welcome to the United States of America, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil Corporation, in partnership with Halliburton. Security for your constitutional rights provided by Blackwater International.
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                        gringe88
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, December 5, 2004 10:51 PM
                        dragon's got my bet. AFV's got lots of extras, but they're so expensive, and with the extras dragon's giving away, you can add that accuracy youself. yep definitly the cheaper dragons
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        beav
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: Ft. Sill, OK
                        Posted by beav on Monday, December 6, 2004 4:41 PM
                        You all forgot(or did i miss one?) that competition between so many manufacturers, and tamiya's abdictating the throne leads the model production world into a maelstrom(lol) of whirling death. If one of them screws up, they could destroy their entire outlook on the future. Tamiya, i think has gone a little crazy, but it is nice to know, that you can make a dio of a tank destroying a plane in scale withought trying to find one or the other in scale...
                        But, a great benefit for us is, more extras, better molds, detail, accuracy or price!
                        take your pick, they are all out there now!

                        "First to Fire!"

                        Steven

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                        zokissima
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
                        Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 10:15 AM
                        I love a good value, and you can't argue with the value-packed items that Dragon is releasing. They have my vote, and my money Smile [:)]
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