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Applying winter camo....yikes!

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Applying winter camo....yikes!
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:12 AM
Am building a Dragon Nashorn for the Battle of the Bulge 'group build'.
Have Nashorn all painted in the typical summer camoflage scheme. Now have to apply winter 'white'!

There is a picture of an abandoned Nashorn on page 71 of Concord's "Panzers of the Ardennes Offensive 1944-45". It shows bold white criss-crosses applied all over the hull. Was thinking of using a brush to hand apply the criss-crosses. Anyone ever try this?

Was also thinking of spraying the exterior varying degrees of white then removing the white on high-wear areas trying to simulate the under color showing thru the winter camo. Any thoughts?

I have this niggling fear that I'm going to screw up a good summer camo scheme by trying to put a winter scheme over it. Gulp! Must build up my courage!!

Glenn

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  • From: PA
Posted by JWest21 on Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:22 AM
I spay an real uneven white coat over my summer coat. See if Dwight can answer you- he does a fantastic wash-scheme with a white wash over his under lying paint. As for the criss-cross- I am not sure what to recommend there
Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry
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  • From: The Buckeye State
Posted by Panther 44 on Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:33 AM
Hi Glenn,
I just did my first winter camo and I thought it came out pretty well.
I used a brush with thinned down paint for the first attempt. Wasn't really thrilled with the results. Left that on the tank and took some paint thinned quite a bit and just airbrushed over areas where I thought there would be less wear and tear on the vehichle.
Then used a brush with very little thinner (similar to when you dry brush) and brushed the winter camo to streak it and show areas of wear. Also used various shades of chalk and simulated wear with them. Used chalk colors similar to the base coat and just worked them into the paint to show wear also.
Sorry I'm unable to post pictures, but hope this may be of some help.
Regards,
Joe
Just remember, ignorance is no excuse for the law. - Moe
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:01 PM
check the buldge gb. There is a post about this and the guy used white pastel chalk and water.
John
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:24 PM
Glen,I have found that if you take a stick of chaulk and crush it up into a powder along with using a semi-wet brush of flat with,you can achive amaizing results.This is how I do it each and every time.First crush your chaulk into a fine powder,then take a small jar of ft.white paint and earmark it for this type of use only.Wet your brush on one side and then dip into chaulk,make sure you get a lot of chaulk on your brush so the paint is very light and stitle when applyed.Then apply mixture to subject in the pattern you want to mimic,this mixture will allow the base coat to bleed threw and will give it a,I have been in the snow effect.Were you want it more white to show after you have done this,you can then go over certain places with a dry or wet brush to add more white.Once dry if you want to drity it up a little use a wash of ft.brown and rust for the tracks and front and rear of the tank.The upper part of the tank use a ft.brown or ft. tan wash.With this method you can achive the look you want.Here is an exsample of a Valentine that I did.


Hope this help you,enjoy and have fun.Digger
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:47 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by diggeraone

Glen,I have found that if you take a stick of chaulk and crush it up into a powder along with using a semi-wet brush of flat with,you can achive amaizing results.This is how I do it each and every time.First crush your chaulk into a fine powder,then take a small jar of ft.white paint and earmark it for this type of use only.Wet your brush on one side and then dip into chaulk,make sure you get a lot of chaulk on your brush so the paint is very light and stitle when applyed.Then apply mixture to subject in the pattern you want to mimic,this mixture will allow the base coat to bleed threw and will give it a,I have been in the snow effect.Were you want it more white to show after you have done this,you can then go over certain places with a dry or wet brush to add more white.Once dry if you want to drity it up a little use a wash of ft.brown and rust for the tracks and front and rear of the tank.The upper part of the tank use a ft.brown or ft. tan wash.With this method you can achive the look you want.Here is an exsample of a Valentine that I did.


Hope this help you,enjoy and have fun.Digger


Digger-
I follow most of what you're saying. What I don't understand is how you're using the flat white paint with the ground chalk? Are you mixing the chalk with the flat white paint in one jar? Or are you dipping the brush into the chalk and then the flat white paint?

Glenn
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  • From: Southern Maine
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Posted by spector822002 on Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:01 PM
I do the regular camo paint ( in oil based paint ,testors , humbrol, etc) then spray out the white on top after that has dried , let this dry for no more than 10 minutes , and then apply a sparse sprinkling of dry laundry detergent , spray this with water from a spray bottle let it go to work for a minute or so , then wash the detergent , and paint it has taken off , away . It leaves a nicely worn snow camo . just make sure you use the oil based paint for the camo coat as should you use water based the detergent will remove that as well . It looks rough at first , but when you wash it and spray some mud to the undercarriage it looks great . I used this technique on my stug for the FSM group build , it should be in there somewhere as well as some pictures of the finished model .
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:20 PM
Glen,I dip the brush into the paint then into the chaulk.I use seprate bowl for the chaulk.Digger
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:01 PM
i drybrush white on the whole model..... i dont have an airbrush and it works just fine!!
but i use acrilyics (i spelled that wrong i know it!) i dont know if u can get the same with enamel but u can try!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:03 PM
i use a small brush also and hand paint tiny strokes of white to simulate hastilly painted on camo with a brush or mop or branches..... works pretty well, i think.

here's a 105 I did for the bulge build that way

http://gallery114781.fotopic.net/c341351.html

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tankergeoff

i use a small brush also and hand paint tiny strokes of white to simulate hastilly painted on camo with a brush or mop or branches..... works pretty well, i think.

here's a 105 I did for the bulge build that way

http://gallery114781.fotopic.net/c341351.html




Did you thin your paint down any? I like the looks of your paint job. It looks 'field applied'.
Looking at various field applied winter white-wash schemes in "Panzer Colors" one can the see the haphazard way the Germans put it on. Not this nice evenly applied coat of white, with uniform thickness applied all over the AFV, but more quickly and to the point!

Glenn
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:31 PM
no, it's not thinned at all.... tamiya flat white out of the bottle
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