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Trumpeter IS-III and Friulmodel treads

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Trumpeter IS-III and Friulmodel treads
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:37 AM
I just ordered the newish Trumpeter IS-IIIm and some Friulmodel track links to go along with it, and it occurred to me that the treads might not fit the Trumpeter kit. Does anyone know if they do? I don't want to find out the hard way!

I assume the Friul treads were designed for the Tamiya kit. I'll be kitbashing Trumpeter and Tamiya (bought but never built the partly inaccurate Tamiya IS-III), so maybe the Tamiya lower hull and wheels are usable with the Trumpeter correct upper hull?

Thanks.
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  • From: Tochigi, Japan
Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:32 PM
The Friul set may contain sprockets, but I'm not sure.
If so, no problem at all.
Hey, what's inaccurate about the Tamiya kit? I thought it was a very accurate version of the initial production vehicle.
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:50 PM
yes, usually that brand includedes drive sprockets with the trakcks. if not, its not to hard to do a little cuttin and pastin if neccesary. Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:11 AM
QUOTE:
Originally posted by J-Hulk

Hey, what's inaccurate about the Tamiya kit? I thought it was a very accurate version of the initial production vehicle.


Heya, J. I'm no Soviet tank expert, but I got my info from this review, by Cookie Sewell of AMPS. I think I'll wind up kitbashing, but will reserve judgment until I see the Trumpeter kit (which I ordered a few days ago, along with Friul treads.)

QUOTE:
Kit Review: Trumpeter 1/35 Scale Kit No. 00316; Russian Heavy Tank IS-3M; 245 parts (224 in light olive drab styrene, 18 clear vinyl parts, 2 vinyl tracks, 1 length of nylon thread); price $19.95

Advantages: First CORRECT kit of this version of this tank, nicely done, fixes some problems from Tamiya kit

Disadvantages: some shortcuts on detailing, thin tracks

Rating: Highly Recommended

Recommendation: For any Soviet armor fan or Six-Day War modeler

F I R S T L O O K

Trumpeter is doing better with many of its kits, and this one is a kit that is better in many ways than the only other competitor on the market, Tamiya's IS-3 kit from 1996.

Tamiya did a rather lukewarm job on their kit – it was based on the survivor in a Polish Museum of the first 52 or so pre-production tanks, and was thus missing all of the operational equipment needed for a "real" IS-3.

After-market people immediately set to work with "correction" sets including brass and in a couple of cases an entire new upper hull for the IS-3M.

Alas, most of this was based on the vehicle at APG. This vehicle was one of the Egyptian IS-3M tanks captured in 1967 by the Israelis, converted to a static pillbox, retaken by the Egyptian Army in 1973 (when the Israelis apparently jammed the gun in battery to prevent its further use) and re-retaken by the Israelis. It was sent to APG as is, where a spare T-62 engine deck was
welded onto the rear of the hull to cover the hole the IDF cut in the engine compartment to use for ammunition stowage. All of the kits used this as their model for an "IS-3M" with a "T-54 engine and transmission" fitted to it.

TRUE – the IS-3M did use a T-54's V-54 engine of 520 HP.

FALSE – the T-54's transmission, radiator and other kit will not fit in an IS-3 engine bay, so they never looked like our marked-up friend.

The actual IS-3M was a combination of several rebuilding projects with new electrics, fender skirts, an additional side stowage bin (making 4 per side), an R-113 radio set, a pair of DShKM machine guns vice DSshK types, IR headlights, and new road wheels with better bearings. They also carried smoke pots on the rear of the hull.

For the record, this kit is a ground-up static kit and as a result was NOT designed to take a motorization pack. While the Tamiya kit may have provided inspiration, this is not the same model with new parts but a unique and separate kit.

The kit reflects the actual IS-3M and comes with most of the changes listed above. The wheels have the correct 10-bolt greasecaps of the T-10 type bearing wheels, but appear to be a bit underscale and are not sharply defined as the 5-bolt caps on the Tamiya kit. It does have sponson floors not found in the
Tamiya IS-3 (or many other of their kits either), reasonably good weld bead details, but a somewhat overdone rough-cast finish on the turret. Casting numbers also are not the same as the Tamiya kit; it is quite possible that one of the handful of IS-3/IS-3M tanks purchased by China was used for the pilot for
this kit, and it is more in line with the actual service vehicles than the Tamiya one.

The tracks are competently done but appear thin, however on comparison with the Tamiya tracks the only major difference is that one can be fitted together with plastic cement (Tamiya) and one cannot (Trumpter). The two tracks appear nearly identical except that the Trumpeter ones do not have depression detail on their outside edges of the inside face and are two links longer than the Tamiya ones. Oddly, the Tamiya track is a later model track seen on some IS-3M tanks and the Trumpeter track is the IS-2 based one found on many early IS-3s. Go figure.

Markings are included for the popular (well, with modelers anyway!) Egyptian IS-3M with the black eagle turret marking and a rather plain Soviet Guards tank.

Overall, this is a very nice kit and one which is more to the modelers' wants and desires. The reasonable price ($20 for a kit this good in this day and age is a STEAL!) should make it very popular, and shows Trumpter can play with the "big boys" when it concentrates its efforts.
Cookie Sewell
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  • From: Tochigi, Japan
Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:46 PM
Thanks for the review, Larry. Was that in FSM? Seems kinda familiar!
Weeell, I reckon I'll just throw together a nice pre-production Russian JS-III with the Tamiya kit!
Good luck with the bashing!


~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 30, 2003 8:05 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk

Thanks for the review, Larry. Was that in FSM? Seems kinda familiar!
Weeell, I reckon I'll just throw together a nice pre-production Russian JS-III with the Tamiya kit!
Good luck with the bashing!





Thanks. The review was online, but I couldn't remember for the life of me where it was, so I wrote to Mr. Sewell, and he kindly forwarded it.
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