Hey Sherm, have you seen this one??

wipw

Member since
January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Hey Sherm, have you seen this one??

Posted by wipw on Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:08 AM

Don't know if you've seen this link or not.

http://www.twenot.nl/Specials/Wallpaper/Beltring11.jpg

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Anyone make an M4A2 in 1/35??

and

http://www.twenot.nl/Specials/Wallpaper/Beltring09.jpg

Bill

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:54 PM

im not The Sherm but Italeri make a M4A1

it looks the same but i dont know if the M4A2 has the same engine decks?

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Rob Gronovius

Member since
December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:09 PM

Italeri's latest Sherman, the USMC Pacific Sherman (w/wooden armor) is supposed to be an M4A2. It is actually a pretty decent M4A3 with an optional engine deck to make an M4A2. The resident Sherman experts will relay the problems with the rear hull overhang and exhaust. I'm not too sure about the problems of it being a "true" A2.

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wipw

Member since
January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:48 PM

Okay, I think I've got my A's mixed up, so to speak! What I want to know is, "Does anybody make a Sherman with the cast, as opposed to the welded, hull?" I thought that was an A2, but obviously I'm letting my ignorance show. Guess I'd better get a Sherman book!

Thanks guys,

Bill

Bill ==========================================================

DML M4A2 Red Army ==========================================================

========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)

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Rob Gronovius

Member since
December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:19 PM

M4, M4A2, M4A3 and M4A4 have welded hulls. M4A1 have cast hulls. Then there are the composite hulls (cast forward hull, welded rear hull). Of course then there are the large hatch and small hatch variants of each, and the direct vision slots vs. periscope front slopes, then the front slope degrees change.....

Any way, the best M4A1 75mm early (as used in N. Africa and D-Day) is the "Holy Grail" of Sherman kits, the DML M4A1 75mm Early. Italeri does an M4A1 76mm Late (Post War) as pictured in Capt. Caveman's post.

Great book to get is the Modeler's Guide to the Sherman by Ampersand Publishing.

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wipw

Member since
January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:26 PM

Thanks, Rob. I'll have to try e-bay for that book. It's been oop for a while. Ampersand's stuff never seems to stay in print for long. Now if they'd only get the Tiger book out they've been promising for the last year and a half or so!!

Thanks for the info. I'd better do a screen copy of that and hang it up in my model room.

Bill

Bill ==========================================================

DML M4A2 Red Army ==========================================================

========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:49 PM

Dragon do a Cast firefly aswell if your after a little more punch

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Rob Gronovius

Member since
December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:09 PM

Here's someone who has the MMiR Sherman book in stock:
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=203983;article=10287;title=Tank%20Talk%20-%20HyperScale%27s%20Military%20Vehicle%20Discussion%20Group;date_query=1063124410

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:16 PM

QUOTE: Italeri does an M4A1 76mm Late (Post War) as pictured in Capt. Caveman's post.

Wasn't the M4A1 (76) a HVSS? Captain caveman's is a VVSS.

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Rob Gronovius

Member since
December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:46 PM

QUOTE: Wasn't the M4A1 (76) a HVSS? Captain caveman's is a VVSS.

The HVSS is a separate upgrade from the A1 or A3 configuration (horizontal volute suspension system, vertical volute suspension system). Shermans started out with various VVSS and the A1s and A3s got HVSS added in later models. The M4A3 became the US's standard Sherman so they were the ones produced with HVSS during the war. They are also referred to as M4A3E8 or Easy Eights. The Allies started getting the M4A1s and post war use received the HVSS or "E8" upgrades. These are M4A1E8s.

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Build22

Member since
May 2003
From: Upstate NY

Posted by Build22 on Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:46 PM

Hey wipw,

In the absence of Shermanfreak (who will no doubt pop in here at some time.)Here's something to help keep your Shermans straight. Like Rob said, there are a lot of variations. (Am I going to get into trouble by giving any kind of advise on shermans?)

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/pdf/shermanspecifics.pdf

Not only that it comes from our fine friends at Fine Scale Modeler

Jim [IMG]

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shermanfreak

Member since
January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:48 PM

Ok .... so you want one like what's in the picture I take it.

As already cleared up it is the M4A1 (76) W and Italeri does make this in kit form. Change the gun barrel and you have the W.W.II variant.

If you want the M4A2, then Italeri's Marine kit just doesn't quite make it. They give you a new engine grill but that's about all. The rear hull hads to be totally changed and the upper rear hull has to be changed to reflect the proper angle of an M4A2.

Just one more thing to add to the HVSS (Easy-8) question .... also available post war on the M4A2.

Build22 - that's a good little article, I forgot it was even here its been so long since I read it.

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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Build22

Member since
May 2003
From: Upstate NY

Posted by Build22 on Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:35 PM

Hey S.F.

Did I do good when you weren't there? Do you think I'm ready to move up to Sherman Facts 201?

Jim [IMG]

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shermanfreak

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January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Friday, September 12, 2003 12:49 AM

You did just fine little one .... you may now consider yourself ...... mini-shermanfreak. lol

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Friday, September 12, 2003 1:43 AM

hey sherm,
firstly cool new logo, do change them with the changing seasons?! Big Smile [:D]

also i thought i'd just add that those pics were taken down the road from me in kent near where i grew up...i went to this show there in the summer where they did a WICKED re-enactment of the normandy inland battles...real sherms Big Smile [:D]

, half-tracks of all shapes and sizes, mocked up tiger Cool [8D]

, stug III and jagdpanther Cool [8D]

, and ofcourse more SS Angry [:(!]

than you can point a stick at...
for all you guys in the UK or who come here i can't recommend it enough! it's held at the hop farm in beltring, near paddock wood, kent every year....(sorry, don't have link)...
cheers guys,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 12, 2003 2:46 AM

lol MINI Sherman Freak!!

:)

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djmodels1999

Member since
December 2002
From: United Kingdom / Belgium

Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, September 12, 2003 3:05 AM

Here's a link to the War & Peace show in Beltring. Any search on the net with 'War & Peace show' should bring you lots of links to more interesting stuff, pics and all. This is just the main info page.

http://www.thewarandpeaceshow.com/

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Rob Gronovius

Member since
December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, September 12, 2003 6:56 AM

We used to have the M4A1E8 with muzzle brake sitting in front of my company area when I was a little lieutenant in Germany. It had been a West German vehicle that was relegated to hard target status and later saved for display purposes. I always kick myself for not taking photos of it. That and the running M3 halftrack we had for ceremonial purposes. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

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Build22

Member since
May 2003
From: Upstate NY

Posted by Build22 on Friday, September 12, 2003 7:06 AM

Thanks, I'd be honored, but I consider myself more of a ...."SHKOTTIE". I'm very good with sharks with..."LASERS"......

or maybe some one a little taller, with a little more hair ... like ..... TATOO. Da Plane! Da Plane!

See Ya

Jim [IMG]

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shermanfreak

Member since
January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Friday, September 12, 2003 10:38 AM

Major Rob - Haven't we all made that mistake once or twice.

1) Oh ... what do I want a picture of that for, I'll never build it.
2) I can't waste film on that .... I need all my film for the 36 detail shots of the inside of the glove compartment of the M13/40 Carro Armato.
3) It'll be there when I come back.
4) It's just a Sherman .... seen one ... seen them all.
5) There's one of those in front of every Legion across North America, I'll get pics when I "need" them.

I'll bet this little list sounds familiar to some.

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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