who do you guys think could beat the tiger 1?

QUOTE: Originally posted by Michaelvk ..IL-2 Sturmovic.. It was called the flying tank by the Germans...

Also the Flying Bathtub. It maneuvered like one, and it had this bathtub of armour surrounding the bottom of the cockpit. It was amazingly resisent to AA fire.

..IL-2 Sturmovic.. It was called the flying tank by the Germans...

QUOTE: Originally posted by gulfstream5 Hi guys, how about a Challenger 2 MBT 'cos lets face it British is best !

ps that's if we have any left after the government's latest round of defence cuts!!

I agree with Tigerman. Any tank with a good high velocity gun -armour penetrating ammo AND with an advantaged postion can defeat a Tiger. It was not an invulnerable tank.

Even lightly armored tanks/destroyers like M36's took out a number of Tigers during WWII so did Sherman Fireflies and T34-85's.

JS-2's and Pershings were more or less a match for the Tiger.

More importantly, the worst enemy of the Tiger is itself. Many of them were lost prior to battle.

I am not sure you folks consider tank destoryers as tanks. If so, IMHO, the SU-100 and SU-152 both have a high chance to take on the Tiger. Their guns are lethal. Although their armour many not be able to stand a direct hit from the 88 mm gun, they enjoy low chassis body making them hard to get shot. The M-36 and M-26 90 mm gun also can take on the Tiger provide they don't go on a head to head attack on to the Tiger, rather using ambush tactics. I've heard that most of the Tiger Tanks destoryed by US tanks were destoryed in city or urban area rather than open field. In fact, there were very few tanks that can stand a 88 mm round hit, probably except the JS-2. Therefore, for a good Allied tank(with at least 76mm gun of course) to take on a Tiger, ambush and suprise are the most important.

all you'd have to do is take your tank up around and according to odball in the movie kelly's heroes "hti right in the a**".
A tank that could take out the tiger would be the T-28 even though i think 2 were made and none ever saw combat. finescale did a model of it.

Possibly an M10, although they had light armor and were not that fast. But if I was in a tank against a tiger, I'd be in a M18. Fire a shot, move away at 50 mph (yeah, thats right, fifty). Get to a new or better firing position, strike again. Shoot and Scoot baby!

Kind of an opened end question. A Sherman could put a 75mm into the rear of a Tiger, like so many undoubtedly did. Straight up, the Tiger would of course flatten it. A Shermanfirefly with the 17pdr was equivalent to the Panther's gun, so it could take the Tiger out. M-10's, M-18, M-36, M26, IS2, T-34/85, SU100, SU122 and so on. As long as you were firing a good high velocity shell, a Tiger was vulnerable on the sides and rear.

RAMBO enough said.

QUOTE: Originally posted by spector822002 could you just imagine the sound of being hit by a high powered tank gun ? The sound alone must stun you , much less the superheated metal flying around ! What a hellish way to die I say , I think I will stick to regular motor vehicles for transportation TY!

It's funny you mention that. I was just re-reading some of the descriptions of German 88mm shells (from the Flak 88, or from the Tigers of 501) coming at the allied tanks in Rick Atkinson's book An Army at Dawn, a cool book, a great read.

Scary stuff. The shell's approach was so furious that it pulled dust up behind it as it tore across the landscape, kind of like a wake of dust. Then it would hit a Sherman, a Lee, or a Stuart, with predictable results.

could you just imagine the sound of being hit by a high powered tank gun ? The sound alone must stun you , much less the superheated metal flying around ! What a hellish way to die I say , I think I will stick to regular motor vehicles for transportation TY!

Most of those big german tanks were nothing more than a huge cannon supported by an underpowered, unreliable ,undercarriage , that was proven time and again . Thats why the Sherman remained an allied favrite for so long ,... they were pretty reliable and manueverable . if they added a bigger cannon and a bit more armour they would have beaten the tigers and panthers more often !

QUOTE: Originally posted by spector822002 Larry : That may very well be , you know how those history shows are about vehicles they said it was T2 in that show

Sound an awful lot like the Panther footage, German crewman losing his leg and all. I recall the tanker narrating the footage and having that moment of real sorrow suddenly hit him, that he had hurt other human beings as he had, even though he was just doing his duty.

These Pershing guys were really hot to prove that they were better than the Panther. They proved it, all right. No one was quite as sure about the Tigers. For taking on Tigers, they bolted all kind of extra armour on their tanks. One even had cut-up Panther armour applied, and a suped-up 90mm -- Accurate Armour makes a cool model of that special test vehicle.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Poniatowski Personally, I'd take a Panther over a Tiger if I had a choice.

I'll take the Pershing over even a King Tiger. After all, let's not forget those tankbusters you mentioned before backing up the Pershing! It's good to be the King, but it's better to be Allied!

Larry : That may very well be , you know how those history shows are about vehicles they said it was T2 in that show

QUOTE: Originally posted by spector822002 Larry: I saw some combat footage taken at the end of the war , encounter with a tiger 2 in a city ... The pershing took it out , one of its crew bailing minus one of his legs only to bleed to death shortly after ! The pershing hit it 2 times ..... the second results in the usual firestorm caused by the ammo going off !

Spec, that was a Panther, if we are thinking about the same very famous combat footage.

The M26 could absorb hits from the Tiger I and also defeat it in a head on battle. The battle is outlined in Hunnicutt's M26 book. The Tiger could also be defeated by towed AT weapons as the Soviets proved many times. Side and rear armor could be pierced by almost any tank in theater... even a Stuart could get a lucky shot.

Also, as many folks have pointed out, the Allied tactical squadrons really did a job on German armor. ... ever step on a snail?

Personally, I'd take a Panther over a Tiger if I had a choice.


Ron.

Larry: I saw some combat footage taken at the end of the war , encounter with a tiger 2 in a city ... The pershing took it out , one of its crew bailing minus one of his legs only to bleed to death shortly after ! The pershing hit it 2 times ..... the second results in the usual firestorm caused by the ammo going off !

I know for a fact that GOJIRA could beat your measly Tiger I any day of week!



Ok, so much for humor.

The Tiger I remained a capable vehicle throughout the war, but it was surpassed in combat power by the Soviet IS-II, which was able to knock it out at fairly long ranges, and could withstand a hit from the Tiger's gun at some of the longer ranges. (It should be noted that the Tiger's reputation was such that IS-II crews sometimes ran away when they saw Tigers, even though their tank was arguably superior!)

The Pershing could take on a Tiger on pretty equal terms too, although the beginning for the Pershing as inauspicious, being knocked out by a Tiger I in their first encounter.

Someone mentioned Pershing vs. Tiger II. I don't recall the Tiger II ever fighting the Pershing. Anyone have a specific story of such a battle? (We all know that the Pershing was more than a match for the Panther.) I think that by the time the Pershing arrived, the Tiger II units were largely engaged in the fruitless German effort to prop up Hungary.

The Tiger II didn't really have any serious head-to-head challengers. Then again, as someone mentioned earlier, combat doesn't seem to care much about specs! The first battlefield use of the Tiger II resulted in them being ambushed by T34/85's and the destruction of several Tiger II's.

Some claim that the IS-III might have had some limited WWII usage at the 11th hour, but I wonder if even that vehicle would have been able to defeat the Tiger II in s straight-up fight.

One interesting thing about the Tiger II is that Russian tests indicated that the quality of German steel had fallen so much that the Tiger II's armour was actually weaker than the Tiger I's. Interesting. I wish I could find the source I saw on this a few years ago -- it was a Russian analysis using captured vehicles, which they analysed and then shot to pieces with Soviet armament.

Now on to the next question, could Batman kick Superman's butt?

When a captured german tanker was asked what he feared most in tank battle , he replied well that depends .... on ze western front , ze RAF , and on ze eastern front , ze JS2 , no tank can withstand an artillery or bomb barrage , thats why taking out air power is so key to winning wars , second most important is taking out radar and communication( if you can't send coordinates how can you direct artillery and planes ) In the end it was the airforce of the allies that ended the germans hopes of winning the war as they could no longer manufacture these weopans , fuel became a big problem as well , as was supplies like food and medical , and spare parts for those broken down tanks ( and boy did they break down )... hell even our venerable m1a2 abrams tanks have been taken out in this latest war by shoulder held rocket launchers nonetheless ,... so it is just a matter of keeping ahead of your enemies technology , and making sure yours is more effective whether it be more mass produced or just more efficient ! So the answer to the question after all of this jibberish ....... a well placed hellfire missle !

at that time, maybe the M36.

According to Flames of War, the armor of the Tiger 1 was not that good. It was the Tiger 2 and the tiger variants that had the heavier armor.

Thats easy, the Tiger II could easily take out the Tiger I or maybe the German Hunting Tiger though thats not technically a real tank

Juniormodeler

Dude, I hate to be the one, but the Panther made its debut at KURSK, after the German forces in Stalingrad surrendered....

Sorry guy

the panther tank, it was more manuverable. it was awsome in city battles like stalingrad

JS-1, JS-2, JSU-152 (nicknamed the "Animal Killer). Still, the Tiger I is an awesome tank. It's appearance matches it's reputation.

QUOTE: Originally posted by TigerTank17 Do you armor fanatics honesly think any world war two era tank could take out the TIGER 1 if so let me know nothing can withstand the 88mm

Oh yes!The Pershing was able toknock out the tigers both 1&2. The t-34 was also capable.

Think of it this way. Watchmakers built the Tiger I. That was the problem with German armor industry, a watchmaker mentallity. The Russkies build in quantity. Yeah the engines sounded like coffee grinders, lots of slop in the running rears, but they produced more. The german took way too long in developing tanks, they wanted perfection before quantity.

Hi guys, how about a Challenger 2 MBT 'cos lets face it British is best !

the jagdpanther packed the same gun as the King Tiger and with that sloping would be one as well as the King Tiger and of course the Jagdtiger. Of course the author of the question meant opposing tanks and I would have to say the US Pershing, British Centurian, and the Russian JS-1 prior to 1945 only luck shots from anything else