KettenKrad

Your right, I can't just forget on a model and move on just because there was a delay. Out of all the model I've done none are fully complete, they always need repair or repaint. Some modlers work on two models just to keep interest, but I was working on four, and it was just because of a camo problem and a lost light guard.

Time to go back to the tiger, but feel free to comment my kettenkrad.

In addition to m1garand's comments above, I'd like to make another suggestion.

Pick one of your projects, focus on that one alone and see it all the way through to completion, rather than working on a whole bunch of things piecemeal.

At the moment, you're learning the basics and you will make mistakes. It's better to make a mistake on one, know that you've made a mistake and learn how to fix and avoid it, and apply that knowledge to the next. It seems that every time you try to do something (particularly in regards to painting), you're doing it on 3-4 models at a time. It's no fun stripping down one model, let alone 3 at a time.

It's better to turn out one model at a time and see the progression of your abilities, rather than 3 or 4 at once, which all suffer from the same basic problems of technique.

There is nothing wrong of making the model as accurate as I can, if I want to be a great model I can't always  place any vehicules of any scale from different time, it just doesn't work that way now. Althought you are right, I should be investing in research, I've been so indepented to this website lately, sorry for the trouble.

And I'm typing a little too fast that I forgot to check my spelling.

T-Rex,

First of all, hats off to you for trying to build your models and enjoying the hobby. 

Kettenkrad (spelling?) did have trailer and I've seen some photos of it carrying jerry cans and ammo boxes.  Not sure if it did hauled any 88mm shells for tigers.  You should be able to find enough photos of it on the web. 

Think about where you want to be and what you want to do in this hobby.  If you are just enjoying this hobby for your own satisfaction, then you should do whatever is pleasing you (that also includes painting your models with wall paints).  However, it seems like you are aiming to go for competitions and that will require you a lot more work, effort, time and money. 

As many of us informed you (based on your comments and your request) that you should invest little time into doing some basic research of your own and invest little money into basic modeling guides and books (or if you have access to local libraries or bookstores, spend some time at these places).  I spend hours at my local library and guess what?  These public libraries have a WHOLE section dedicated to WWII subjects (as well as most conflicts).  Lots of books, photos and even magazines that are specific to WWII. 

I also have Badger 350 airbrush and I've been using Tamiya paints and MM Enamels.  I thinned both of them (I use Tamiya paint thinner for Tamiya paints and Lacquer thinner for my Enamels).  I haven't had any issues with it.  If you are using arcrylic paints, don't let it sit in open too long. 

Just like any other hobbies (my scuba gear set cost me about $1400, but to refill the air in the tank, annual inspection of my gear and cost of dives are even more) the cheapest and easiest part of this hobby is purchasing kits.  Everything else on top of that (books, paints, supplies, add-ons like photo etched parts, detailed sets.....) is really going to cost you an arm and a leg.  Invest a little at a time (you don't need to have fancy tools to make great looking models) and invest some time into your hobby as well.  In a long run, it will help you to move up to the next level. 

Just like the tigers earlies are german grey, lates are dark yellow, althougth I want to know if kettenkrad have been known to carry tiger supplie like fuel or ammo, not all of it of course but maybe carry the case at the backseat?

Looks like all dragon's kits sell there track diassemble, cause just like the firefly his tracks have to be build, any advice on how to assemble them?

Here's another photo of the kettenkrad pulling the puchhend and flak wagon.

Along with all my other project.

The kettenkrad and the puchhen are almost complete, still need to put the tracks, wheels and weathering, but its going good. Here's both the models together.

Here's something that you would never see, a kettenkrad pulling a FLAK 38 wagon.

At the bottom of the puppchen where it meets the ground it looks like you didn't paint it there.

David

AH HA I got you, Of course I didn't really paint it with wall paint, completely. only the interieur around the engine is wall paint, I wasn't sure the color of german grey was, its almost black, so to make sure that the color was correct I paint it with tamiya german grey, it was, mixting flat black and grey was the correct color, but At the end it was cover with the tamiya german grey, so no more wall paint for models now.

Here's the Puchhen

Now that's a nice canon, any advise.

TRex: something to consider is that the 8.8cm Raketenwerfer Puppchen was a late war item.  Your grey Kettenkraftrad puts it mid war and before.

You mentioned that you're willing to try wall paint acrylics because you have a lot of it and if you screw up, then no waste, right?  Wall paint pigments are not ground very small.  Therefore they will always obscure details (like they SHOULD on your walls).  You're lost before you've started, IMHO.  

You may have a lot of paint but you don't have unlimited models, I suppose.  Don't do it.  You've asked for advice?  Every poster has said the same.

But the learning curve can be pretty steep...  Get the Kalmbach book.  It'll help a lot. 

Oh forgot the figure, haven't painted him yet.

Here's a rear view of the bike, I haven't added the wheels yet.

Kettenkrad help move supplies for covoys like this one below.

Its going very good for now, and this was done by wall painting witha airbrush, tell me how you think of it.

Alright I finally got some pictures of the kettenkrad

Sorry for the wait.

Nice one euh.

T-rex wrote:

Yes, there is alot of info of the kettenkrad on the web, but not much help in the puchhen.

If you Google, there is just as much on the Pupchen.  Look at my first reply to this post.

Yes, there is alot of info of the kettenkrad on the web, but not much help in the puchhen. I couldn't find any info on my artillery book.

HI

Try this site a wealth of information!  And not that you want to know but in my youth I actually got to ride on one!

http://www.kettenkrad.de/index_e.htm

 Here's a Russian front one

http://www.kettenkrad.com/

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettenkrad

Dude, Google it or something.  These were super easy to find.

I'm not going to paint it with wall paint for now, should tests it first with another more older and bad model.

Camera down, and never seen a cobination of sure a half-track and artillery before, I have made another kettenkrad, but in 1/72 and look like a dwart compare to my large scale one.

I don't know much about the kettenkrad so what about some info of it, like what was it purpose in the war? what are some battle it fought in , and maybe it could go with the tiger 1 dio.

And its doesn't hurt if you all any info about the kettenkrad or puchhen.

It is a good little kit.  They go together well.  They will be small when finished.  What do you want to know?  Without pics, we can't comment on your build or how it is looking.  Maybe some questions from you on it would help to generate discussion as well. 

I still wouldn't use wall paint for models though.

One of the biggest problem that I mostly get when thinning acylic is getting the mixte even, to thick and the paint covers details, but too wet and is doesn't applie good and even on models, it should have the texture of 2% milk. The major advantage of wall paint is thta it is in larrge quantity, therefore if I srew up is won't be such a major problem, got the two most comon color, german grey and dark yellow, but I still use tamiya. My badger 350 can go with any acylic paint on the marcket.

And its doesn't hurt if you all any info about the kettenkrad or puchhen.

Wall paint won't work well through an airbrush either.   As you said, it doesn't thin well.  You can thin it with water, but it still looses its ability to adhere well.  Best bet is to stick to paints made for models.

Also lets get back to subject of the kettenkrad, this is what I want to talk about, not wall paint!

You asked about wall paint, what did you expect to get? 

True, and paint thinner won't make it better cause wall paint isn't mixable with thinner no matter the type. What about airbrush it, airbrush reduce the quantity making it less thick, would that work.

Also lets get back to subject of the kettenkrad, this is what I want to talk about, not all and only wall paint!

T-rex wrote:

I don't know if it is going to work neither, but if I try only the interieur of the bike (where the engine is,) even if it doesn't then it won't matter cause its inside.

As advised earlier, wall paints are not recommended for styrene kits. I have tried it in my early years in modeling and it did not look good. Because it is too thick, some details will be covered and lost.

If you really intend to use wall paint, then I suggest that you try it on a piece of scrap plastic so that you will have an idea of how to handle it. But then again, I hope that you use model paints for better results. 

T-rex wrote:

Meanwhile tell me this, is painting models with wall paint will work, which is also acrylic.

Categorically, no. Wall paints aren't formulated to adhere to styrene. Yes, the base may be acrylic but otherwise, they are quite different. Wall paints are also much thicker than model paints and thinning to the consistency required for model painting will reduce their adhesive properties to about nil.

Now having said that, when he was much younger (he must have been 6 or 7 at the time) one of my nephews painted an Airfix Boulton Paul Defiant with white ceiling paint and declared it a "white fighter".

Alright if nones answering i'll just try getting the photos of the completed puchhed and the the kettenkrad so far.

Meanwhile tell me this, is painting models with wall paint will work, which is also acrylic.

Don't got photos of the assembley of this kit but I'm almost done on it, the Puppchen is already done, just need to paint it dark yellow with the wheels black and weather it, like the spings on the back are going to be lighty rusted.

There are no metal parts to this kit but the tracks are also diassemble.