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                        Academy M-18 Finished

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Academy M-18 Finished
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:21 PM
                        Did this OOTB, as usual all comments are welcome




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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:32 PM
                        love the mud! Looks my Ramcharger used to. Big Smile [:D]
                        Looks like the barrel is twisted a little or is it the pic? Also there appears to be too much black on the barrel
                        But I am not too familiar with how much the barrel of these would have "charred".
                        Other than those two things it looks real good.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:37 PM
                        The barrel might be a little off, I didnt reallt notice, except for where the end attaches. I may lighten up the black area a little, wasnt really sure if it was to much or not, didnt have a reference one:-(
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                        shermanfreak
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by shermanfreak on Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:29 PM
                        Didn't you get taught to clean up after yourself .... look at the filth .. it's everywhere ... gotta love it !!!!!

                        How did you like the build? I've been thinking about getting this kit, what's it like?

                        Couple of small critiques .... Derek has already noted the muzzle brake and charring. A little grime inside the turret would really set this kit off. If it got that dirty outside, you can bet the boys dragged the mud in with them. The other thing is the ammo box on the .50 .... should be O.D. like the Hellcat.

                        Otherwise a nice build, thanks for sharing.
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        lizardqing
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:00 PM
                        Looks good and dirty miller.I don't see anything that's not been pointed out. Thanks for showing us.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:28 PM
                        Sherm, I enjoyed the build, wasn't to hard except for the gaps at the front and the back of the hull when I put them together, had to use putty to fix it but it wnet pretty well. I will change the color on the ammo box, and will have to lighten the barrel a little bit, but it was fun and I am learning about mud for sure:-)
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                        lizardqing
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:40 PM
                        I forgot to ask miller ,but how did you go about mixng the mud?
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:44 PM
                        Nice job Miller. Did you do the indy tracks or the vinyl? I just got one recently, looks like an easy build.

                        :It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

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                         Eric 

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 12:19 AM
                        Nice build! Love the mud.

                        demono69
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 12:42 AM
                        Actually the mud is Floquil paint mixed with some baking soda (Thanks FSM), Tigerman I used the Vinyl tracks, although reviews said they were still I found them easier to do and they do look good, at least to me:-)
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 12:45 AM
                        Forgot the paint is Mud paint:-)
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                        Dwight Ta-ala
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, October 20, 2003 1:42 AM
                        Nice one, miller.

                        Keep on posting.

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                        djmodels1999
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                          December 2002
                        • From: United Kingdom / Belgium
                        Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, October 20, 2003 1:52 AM
                        Miller, do you have an airbrush? If so, next time, you could try first putting a 'dusting' of an 'Dark Earth' color first onto the wheels, tracks and lower parts of the hull, then add your mud mix. As you have it, there's a equal amount of 'muddying' onto the the bottom and top of the hull, and that is a bit weird (to me anyway). On your model, you should not be able to see any green paint on the lower parts of the tank. Other than that, and what other have said before (tip of the gun and the clean inside), it looks like a great build. And I'm sure you had plenty of fun doing it. More please!
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                        Build22
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                          May 2003
                        • From: Upstate NY
                        Posted by Build22 on Monday, October 20, 2003 6:35 AM

                        Nice Miller,

                        Great mud - great stowage, too




                        Jim [IMG]
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                        erush
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                          May 2003
                        • From: USA, GA
                        Posted by erush on Monday, October 20, 2003 7:49 AM
                        Looks good Miller! The only thing I noticed that hasn't been pointed out is the tools on the back look a bit too clean too. Really good build though! I like the look of the mud on there, it looks really convincing. Keep up the good work!! Big Smile [:D]

                        Eric
                        Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning. "Friendly fire...isn't"
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 7:50 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by miller41

                        I may lighten up the black area a little, wasnt really sure if it was to much or not, didnt have a reference one:-(



                        NICE JOB!! Looks great. Yes, I'd lighten up the black at the end of the main gun a bit.... I've only seen blackened muzzle brakes on actual vehicles (M109's and M48's) The black usually doesn't extend much past the immediate area of the baffles on the brake itself.
                        I've fired main guns often enough to get a hot tube and a cook off, which means the chamber was getting pretty hot, but the paint was never blackened on the tube. AND if there's no muzzle brake, the carbon doesn't extend past the very end of the tube.
                        However, Wink [;)] constant cleaning of the main gun will darken the paint a shade or so darker and will often gloss up to a sheen IF the crew insists on oiling its length.

                        Ron.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 11:22 AM
                        DJModels, thanks for the tip, I will do that next time, and I do have an airbrush (2 in fact) and the same thought occured to me but I was unsure how to deal with it:-) I am learning about muzzle blackening for sure.....
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                        mark956
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                          February 2003
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by mark956 on Monday, October 20, 2003 6:41 PM
                        Looking real good Miller41. I just love the mud.
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                        r13b20
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                          April 2014
                        Posted by r13b20 on Monday, October 20, 2003 7:13 PM
                        I agree GREAT mud! I tracked a lot of mud in my time, so the insides of a gun gets pretty dirty. Especially on edges and seats where a crewman is standing at a .50 cal. By the way we never saw a muzzle brake get that dirty in my units. Although the newer powder is cleaner burning. Even when we had a "blow-by". Great job. I wish I was that good!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 8:13 PM
                        Nice job!

                        Gotta love a verteran armor piece like that!
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                        beav
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                          May 2003
                        • From: Ft. Sill, OK
                        Posted by beav on Monday, October 20, 2003 9:58 PM
                        GEE WHIZ, did the crew drive off a cliff into a mud puddle or somthing??? I like the mud! THANX FOR SHARING THE PICS!

                        "First to Fire!"

                        Steven

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                        styrene
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                          May 2003
                        • From: The flat lands of the Southeast
                        Posted by styrene on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:02 AM
                        Man, that thing is dirty. Cool [8D] There needs to be a sign hanging on it that says "WASH ME". Big Smile [:D]

                        The muzzle brake looks crooked to me, too. In addition, the paint is much too glossy, you can still see the outline on the hull that points out where the shovel and the long handle should go, and there's a seam on the rear center tow hook. I agree with Shermanfreak about the color of the ammo box. Prior to weathering, you should consider painting the tail lights and headlightsand then weather over the top of them. It'll add some more subtle color to the kit. Regardless, the kit is looking good.
                        Gip Winecoff

                        1882: "God is dead"--F. Nietzsche

                        1900: "Nietzsche is dead"--God

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                        J-Hulk
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:16 AM
                        Excellent job, Miller!
                        Nicely filthied.
                        The rest of the fine folk here have pointed out all that needs pointing out, so I'll just say, "what's next?"
                        ~Brian
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:39 AM
                        Very cool. I love it when tanks look so field-worn like this.

                        And notice that the suggestions are all small things for competitions and stuff only (and they are all good catches) -- your average visitor to your house isn't going to notice, they are just going to be wowed!

                        I like building Allied WWII tanks dirty, as it gives them some variation in color scheme. Then you put a cleaner vehicle next to it on the shelf. NICE.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:35 AM
                        Hi,

                        I remove the outlines for the pioneer tools prior to painting also... Like they said, little things to remember for competitions. The tow pintel is a casting and often will have a center ridge... depends on who cleaned the casting up at the foundry!
                        Gloss on vehicles is a real point of contention. A WWII vehicle was NEVER SUPPOSED to be glossy... were they? Well, oil based enamel factory applied glossed up quickly with people walking, sliding, etc. on it. Of course, they were painted over in the field when possible, but moisture, wear, etc. could and still does gloss up a vehicle. Overall, keep most of the vehicle flat, it can get a sheen where stowage and people rub against it.
                        So, once again, take it as a compliment that people are getting down to the nitty gritty with this thing. Shows they had to really look hard for things to critique!

                        Excellent job!

                        Ron.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:16 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Poniatowski

                        Hi,

                        I remove the outlines for the pioneer tools prior to painting also... Like they said, little things to remember for competitions. The tow pintel is a casting and often will have a center ridge... depends on who cleaned the casting up at the foundry!
                        Gloss on vehicles is a real point of contention. A WWII vehicle was NEVER SUPPOSED to be glossy... were they? Well, oil based enamel factory applied glossed up quickly with people walking, sliding, etc. on it. Of course, they were painted over in the field when possible, but moisture, wear, etc. could and still does gloss up a vehicle. Overall, keep most of the vehicle flat, it can get a sheen where stowage and people rub against it.


                        Poniatowski, interesting discussion! I have often wondered about this myself. When you see modern photos of WWII tanks, or you actually see those same tanks in museums, they almost always appear to be glossy. I remember being surprised by this the first time I saw a WWII-era AFV in the flesh (a Jagdpanther), at the Imperial War Museum when I was a kid, and it's hed up in other visits too. So, is that an incorrect paint scheme, or what is the explanation for it. WWII era photos are usually not in color, or are kind of blurry if they are, so it's hard to make out from the original photos.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:26 PM
                        What a filthy b!tch that one is. Excellent work!!!!

                        Will you make any figures or a base for it?


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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:37 PM
                        I want to thank all of you for the comments, I am going ot be putting this one in a show so I am sure these problems will be pointed out to me:-) I did spray a dullcoat over the final finish, I am wondering if maybe I sould have done it more than once. I will probably add figures to this as soon as I can get the nerve to try and paint the little buggers:-) I should have removed the tool outlines (laziness got the better of me there) so I will get them next time. I did repaint the ammo bow (also on my shermen) OD. I have alot of models to do yet and I am sure with your help I will get a win soetime in the future in a show, although that isnt as important as the fun of building something from history. Doing an A6-G Texan airplane now, a request from a friend. Will post some pics (in the AC forum) when its done.
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