you can now build oddball's tank from kelly's heroes

That's right, you win a cookie.

I agree Baron, sometimes there is really good info that is contained or new info can be added. Guess it's just a conformity thing. Besides some like this one are just to fun to let go. Great now I gotta watch Kellys Heroes again LOL.

armornut

...Was Donald Duck around in 1944?... 

Yes, but just not that figure, I don't think 

But you're absolutely right.  These are works of fiction, meant to entertain, not documentaries.

And as far as resurrecting a thread goes, why not?  That subject has been debated pretty thoroughly here, and as long as the forum software lets you do it, why not?  Just because a thread is old, doesn't mean the discussion is over. 

Again with the negative waves man, while I try to look at the date of threads this one is just to much fun to pass up commenting in. Yes it is historically inacurate, YES there are many incongruties in the filming, YES rivet counters have a right to an opinion, but lets face it gents( and or ladies) IT IS A CLASSIC IMHO it rates right up there with the Dirty Dozen. Was Donald Duck around in 1944? All positive beatnick thoughts to y'all

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 Oh well, since when is Hollywood worried about historical accuracy?   

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Ever add up the mass of the amount of gold they supposedly got? They would have needed a lot more than a few trucks to transport it! About 12.5 kg per bar, a deuce and a half would carry maybe 150 bars if my math is correct? 

   " I had to go,Joe."

    Just popped the DVD in the player

MattSix wrote:

telsono wrote: Also, the music, wasn't one of the songs a Hank Williams, Jr. song? He wasn't even born yet! Magnetic tape recording came about after WWI. The machines were bulky, but Oddball could have "found" one for his use. There were units for mobile broadcasting as early as 1935. Mike T. The song Oddball plays during the attack on the German Railyard is "All For The Love of Sunshine" by Hank Williams Jr. The song was released in 1970. After the attack, they switch the music to "I've Been Working on the Railroad." Even if you overlook the timeline issues with the reel to reel machine, and the soundtrack, there are several other things out of place. There is plenty of Russian equipment, used by the Americans, in the film. This is because the film was shot in Yugoslavia, and in 1969/70 they had a lot of it lying around, for the studio to use. The German Tigers are modified T-34s. The trains in the railyard have Yugoslavian RR markings, and the sniper rifle one of the G.I.'s uses in the bell tower is a Russian model, with side mounted telescopic sights!  Oh well, since when is Hollywood worried about historical accuracy?

Well, I don't suppose it's supposed to be too accurate.  After all, it is fiction.  I mean, Oddball is a great character, too, but the Beatniks were 10 years in the future in 1944.  The movie really is a film record of some of the great character actors of the day, playing army for 2 1/2 hours.  When I was a kid and we played war, going for Nazi gold behind the lines was a frequent mission.

"Kelly's Heroes" is one of my all-time favorite war movies, in my top 10 list.

BTW, "All for the Love of Sunshine" was written by Mike Curb and Lalo Schifrin, who collaborated on the soundtrack for "Kelly's Heroes".  Schifrin went on to score many more of Clint Eastwood's movies, like "Dirty Harry"

telsono wrote:

Also, the music, wasn't one of the songs a Hank Williams, Jr. song? He wasn't even born yet! Magnetic tape recording came about after WWI. The machines were bulky, but Oddball could have "found" one for his use. There were units for mobile broadcasting as early as 1935. Mike T.

The song Oddball plays during the attack on the German Railyard is "All For The Love of Sunshine" by Hank Williams Jr. The song was released in 1970. After the attack, they switch the music to "I've Been Working on the Railroad."

Even if you overlook the timeline issues with the reel to reel machine, and the soundtrack, there are several other things out of place. There is plenty of Russian equipment, used by the Americans, in the film. This is because the film was shot in Yugoslavia, and in 1969/70 they had a lot of it lying around, for the studio to use. The German Tigers are modified T-34s. The trains in the railyard have Yugoslavian RR markings, and the sniper rifle one of the G.I.'s uses in the bell tower is a Russian model, with side mounted telescopic sights!

 Oh well, since when is Hollywood worried about historical accuracy?   

let's face it, they were not really going for historic accuracy now were they?

he's not an officer is he, I hate officers...  

Also, the music, wasn't one of the songs a Hank Williams, Jr. song? He wasn't even born yet!

Magnetic tape recording came about after WWI. The machines were bulky, but Oddball could have "found" one for his use. There were units for mobile broadcasting as early as 1935.

Mike T.

MattSix wrote:

There is a wide variety of opinions on how to best duplicate Oddball's Sherman. During the film there are several changes made to the tank:   The loudspeaker is shown on either side of the turret during the movie. The dents on the speaker also come and go throughout the film. The extra length of pipe that goes over the gun barrel is removable. I am not sure if it is ever shown in use or not.  During the final showdown with the T-34s/Tigers the ammo box for Oddball's .50 is not used, just the ammo belt.

These are continuity errors and happen regualarly in movies, such as the scene between Ness  and malone in The Untochabeles where Sir Sean's collar keeps buttoning and unbuttoning itself.

"Woof, woof!" The Shermans in the film belonged to the Yugoslav Army, the only ones having enough of them left to make the movie :D Which explains the T-34 playing dress up. One of my favorite movies, have to love "I've been working on the railroad".

 Shell tips would probably be PINK, judging by the pink rear of the Tiger/T-34 lol.

Saw a lot of old US armor in Kosovo and other areas of the old Yugoslavia, wonder where it is now?

 Jim

Negative waves!......

I wonder what color the tips of the paint-loaded shells were.....

MattSix wrote:

The speaker issue on Oddball's Sherman had me thinking...How can the music play when the tank is in motion? Back in 1944/45 during the time of the events in the film, the standard format for music was RECORDS!!! How can you get a record to play in a bouncing, vibrating tank? The needle would skip and jump all over the place when the tank was in motion! Not to mention what would happen when the main gun fired!    I am no historian, but I think reel to reel tape, which is what they probably used in the film, was not avail until the late 40's early 50's! Anyone else notice this little oversight!?

The speaker issue on Oddball's Sherman had me thinking...How can the music play when the tank is in motion? Back in 1944/45 during the time of the events in the film, the standard format for music was RECORDS!!!

How can you get a record to play in a bouncing, vibrating tank? The needle would skip and jump all over the place when the tank was in motion! Not to mention what would happen when the main gun fired!   

I am no historian, but I think reel to reel tape, which is what they probably used in the film, was not avail until the late 40's early 50's!

Anyone else notice this little oversight!? 

MattSix wrote:

There is a wide variety of opinions on how to best duplicate Oddball's Sherman. During the film there are several changes made to the tank:   The loudspeaker is shown on either side of the turret during the movie. The dents on the speaker also come and go throughout the film. The extra length of pipe that goes over the gun barrel is removable. I am not sure if it is ever shown in use or not.  During the final showdown with the T-34s/Tigers the ammo box for Oddball's .50 is not used, just the ammo belt. I think that anyone who depicts a WWII Sherman with the proper figures, a Loudpeaker on the turret, and loaded down like a Gypsy Caravan should be pretty close to the "real" thing. "Knock it off with them negative waves! Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Can't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

also one of oddballs Shermans {of his three tank unit} had wooden anti magnetic mine sides like the Marine Tanks in the Pacific. Oddball's also looked like it had a propaganda poster on the side in the rear, and I agree I don't think they used the barrel "extension"

Ya gotta get'em point blank and ya gotta get'em from behind.... 

There is a wide variety of opinions on how to best duplicate Oddball's Sherman. During the film there are several changes made to the tank:  

The loudspeaker is shown on either side of the turret during the movie. The dents on the speaker also come and go throughout the film.

The extra length of pipe that goes over the gun barrel is removable. I am not sure if it is ever shown in use or not. 

During the final showdown with the T-34s/Tigers the ammo box for Oddball's .50 is not used, just the ammo belt.

I think that anyone who depicts a WWII Sherman with the proper figures, a Loudpeaker on the turret, and loaded down like a Gypsy Caravan should be pretty close to the "real" thing.

"Knock it off with them negative waves! Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Can't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

bondoman wrote:

"Don't hit me with negative waves so early in the morning."

telsono wrote:

Actually the Kelly Heroes figure sets are from Jaguar Models. See pg 9 of the 1/35 figure sets. You can also search for them on EvilBay.  http://www.jaguarmodels.com/   Mike T.

I knew that 

Actually the Kelly Heroes figure sets are from Jaguar Models. See pg 9 of the 1/35 figure sets. You can also search for them on EvilBay.

 http://www.jaguarmodels.com/

Mike T.

I found some loud speakers in 1/35 but I want them in 1/48

plus models makes a loudspeaker and Legends has a Oddball tank crew {I don't think they make the one with Kelly, oddball, and big joe any more}

I will have to check my CD but I don't think Oddball's tank had the barrel rest on the front of the tank, he also had junk hanging all over including a bucket IIRC on the front of the tank.

 still......