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Looking for info on Panzer-Kompanie (bo) Berlin
Posted by Geist on Friday, June 27, 2008 1:58 PM

I'm looking for info on Panzer-Kompanie (bo) Berlin. I've only found the date in which the kompanie was formed.

There is a drawing in my Panther Variants in Color book of a very cool Panther G that was in Berlin April 1945. I was thinking of using the Panther for the Red Storm on the Reich GB. Heres a pic too.

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Posted by T26E4 on Friday, June 27, 2008 2:50 PM
I wouldn't trust any color profile of a panther that showed dk grey ---  no evidence of it whatsoever

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Posted by Geist on Friday, June 27, 2008 3:09 PM

 T26E4 wrote:
I wouldn't trust any color profile of a panther that showed dk grey ---  no evidence of it whatsoever

 I know, I've heard the same. I thought it would be a cool "what if" if it turned out to not be real. If isn't real, why would the profile have been published though? They must have known something we don't.

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Posted by T26E4 on Friday, June 27, 2008 3:47 PM

LOL.  To be frank, you give the artist too much credit.  I can almost guarantee you that he used a b/w photo as his model.  This plus the VERY OLD myth about German late war stocks of dark grey paint being used gives us his interpretation -- thus, the grey/green Panther.  However, it's verified what last production Panthers were painted from the factory.  

There's another grey/green panther in the old Squadron/Signal Panther in Action book.  Also if you look at old Tamiya catalogues, they have a dk grey Jagdtiger with yellow spots.

If you're gonna do the "what if" scheme, I'd do something completely out of the ordinary.  If you paint a Panther grey/green, you'll get tons of critical comments:"Didn't that guy know that it was a myth?" and immediately turn folks off.  If you come with say, an urban scheme like the BOAR Centurions, then it could be really cool!

 

But to answer your orig question: late war Panthers were factory painted with a basecoat of dk green.  Swaths of dk yellow and red-brown were sprayed in cloudy patterns.  (At least from MAN factory)

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 27, 2008 3:59 PM
 Geist wrote:

 T26E4 wrote:
I wouldn't trust any color profile of a panther that showed dk grey ---  no evidence of it whatsoever

 I know, I've heard the same. I thought it would be a cool "what if" if it turned out to not be real. If isn't real, why would the profile have been published though? They must have known something we don't.

many of the artists that produce plates are hired and the next week are painting Ford concept cars...point is, they paint what people tell them and are usually not themselves historians or modelers...Also, a lot of the old information that was believed to be true for many years is still out there in print and plates...a lot of the Squadron "In Action" series have plates from the early '70's that many modelersd still use as refs that have been proven to be  inaccurate in many areas...another notoriously innacurate publication that is still widely used is the Panzer Colors Vol 1 thru 3...Great books but you should download the correction addendum from the web...
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Posted by moose421 on Friday, June 27, 2008 8:49 PM

Manny, where would you find the addendum? I would like to have that.  Since I have the Panzer colors.

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Posted by Geist on Friday, June 27, 2008 9:56 PM

Thanks for replying guys, but I started this thread for info on Panzer Kompanie Berlin, not a dicussion on Panther colors. Hope you understand. Smile [:)]

Even if it is innacurate, I still like that scheme. I may still use it as a "what if".

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 27, 2008 10:02 PM
 Geist wrote:

Thanks for replying guys, but I started this thread for info on Panzer Kompanie Berlin, not a dicussion on Panther colors. Hope you understand. Smile [:)]

Even if it is innacurate, I still like that scheme. I may still use it as a "what if".

Seriously doubt if you are going to find any unit histories on any ad-hoc formations put together in the last days/weeks of the war...
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Posted by Douglas1 on Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:20 AM

Actually according to Thomas Jentz's book "Quest for combat supremacy" on the Panther tank The author states, and I quote

On Oct. 31st 1944 MNH recieved supplementary instructions from the local Waffenamt inspector.......The outside of the Panthers was to be sparingly painted with patterns directly applied to the red oxide primer utilizing Rotbraun RAL 8017, Olivgruen RAL 6003 and Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 paste. If Dunkelgelb wasn't available, Dunklegrau RAL 7021 could be used in an extreme emergency. Otherwise it was to be conserved.

Now, I just read this today and its the first i've heard of it. And my research is still limited. But it appears at least one Panther supplier could have possibly used a limited amount of dark grey. I'd really like to hear everybodys input on this as I am trying to learn as much about the Panther Family as I can.

Cheers! Doug

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