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Tinting windows .... (yes, I've used the search button...)
Posted by modelchasm on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:54 PM

As stated above, I've search for answers but they are lacking ...

I need to tint two windows on a helo a smoke color, but I thought I'd ask the experts here. I'm comfortable using Future, and I like the idea od just adding food coloring, but do they make food coloring in black? Hmm.....

I can't find the clear smoke paints here in my area, so that's out (funny, b/c I live in Houston ... 4th largest city in the country and we have crap for model shops).

I also read in one post about using highly thinned black acrylic paint. Anyone have success w/ this one?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Posted by Silverback on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:25 PM

Best choice:  Tamiya X-19 Smoke, a neutral transparent gray acrylic.

Next best:  Future mixed with watercolor pigment.  Use the stuff in the tube, usually found in the artists oil paint section of the art store, and be sure its "watercolor" pigment, not oil, latex or acrylic.  For "smoke", use Lamp Black (neutral, slightly greenish blue tint), Ivory Black (yellowish tint) or Paynes Gray (blue tint). 

 

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Posted by TheNakedModeler on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:01 PM
I used to use window tint from the auto parts store worked pretty good and another method was using tamiya clear paints sprayed from my a/b this way gave me alot of color choices too.
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Posted by modelchasm on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:00 PM

Thanks for those suggestions guys. I'll have to look for the watercolor tint next time I'm at my LHS. I don't think that I'll go w/ window tint as I would only be using maybe a square inch of it.

Again thanks for the suggestions, please keep the ideas coming ...

... however, remember in original post, I can't get the clear tint paint in my area ... unless I order it online. But, since I only need to paint two small windows, I don't really want to wait on it.

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Posted by modelchasm on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:58 AM

 agentg wrote:
If you have a craft store like Michaels, Hobby Lobby etc. I believe Valspar makes a spray bomb of what you need. It's a BIG can but hey, ya gotta do watcha gotta do.

Hmm ... never heard of that. Will have to check that out. Thanks agentg.

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Posted by acmodeler01 on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:44 AM

They actually do make a black food coloring. I would use that as a last resort or just an experiment though...not sure how well that would work.

I second the use of real window tint film. It's easy to use on large, relatively flat pieces like model car 'glass'. It looks pretty goood and one roll will last forever, too.

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Posted by jrherald420 on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:37 PM
has any body used VHT Nightshades before??? its made for smoking headlighs and tail lights on real cars. I have a can of it somewhere, i just might try it sometime.
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Posted by ckfredrickson on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:07 PM
One of the old Kalmbach books (copyright 1980) recommends "India ink" and Testors glosscoat.  I've never had much luck with glosscoat as a gloss coat, and I'm not even sure where to find India ink... my first guess would be a stationary store but I haven't seen one of those for years.
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Posted by jrherald420 on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:14 PM
any art and craft store carrys it.
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Posted by modelchasm on Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:44 AM

Hmm.... I'm glad for all the discussion this has brought up. It seems that there are definatly more ways to do this than I thought, but with a lot of mediums that I have no experience working with. With that, I think that I'm going to go for the Future mixed with black food coloring .... never mixed the stuff, but use Future all the time.

If I wasn't in the middle of a build (or two) I'd give all these methods a try and do a write-up for it just so the forums have something to so readers in the Future ... pun intended.

Thanks again guys, for all your help.

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Posted by SeaBee on Friday, July 17, 2009 1:19 AM
Tamiya also produces Smoke in a rattle-can - works great! Can't remember the number, TS70-something.
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Ink instead water colors....
Posted by marioc on Monday, July 20, 2009 1:06 PM
 Silverback wrote:

Best choice:  Tamiya X-19 Smoke, a neutral transparent gray acrylic.

Next best:  Future mixed with watercolor pigment.  Use the stuff in the tube, usually found in the artists oil paint section of the art store, and be sure its "watercolor" pigment, not oil, latex or acrylic.  For "smoke", use Lamp Black (neutral, slightly greenish blue tint), Ivory Black (yellowish tint) or Paynes Gray (blue tint). 

Phil

Phil, did you test just ink? I have used with Future, works fine and the result is like Tamiya Smoke. You can use green, red...etc  

 

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Posted by Silverback on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:50 AM

Phil, did you test just ink?

I have had the best luck with Swan (brand) "India Ink".  My 1962 bottle dried up a while back, and the product seems to have gone missing from stockist shelves.  Glass stains and acetate inks simply devour clear plastic, while oil paints, latex and acrylic pigments do not play well with Future (at least not for me).  I tried McCormick (brand) food colors in Future, but the color never set, which lead to the experiments with water color pigments.

Grumbacher Academy Artists' Watercolor (brand) with Future works just fine.  I've used Payne's Gray, Sepia, Royal Purple and Pthalo Green to make acceptable tints.  I'm toying with the idea of using a water colors in a Future base to do a stained glass window for a diorama (just for grins, you unnerstand).

Tamiya (or Gunze Sanyo) transparent paints are the way to go, but sometimes they are not available, or they just do not have the color you want.

 

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Posted by tiki kat on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:25 AM
Once upon a time, I read an article in Model Car Science (I think) about using RIT dye for tinting windows.  RIT is usually used for dying fabrics and should be readily available, they used to stock it in our little grocery store back home.  Since you could dye your clothes in the washer at home, it should mix with Future pretty well.
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Posted by tirerub1 on Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:34 PM
future works well and tamyia makes a smoke tint paint too
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Posted by J.Warnell on Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:33 PM
    Higgins brand # 4415 india ink, mixes well with water, alcohol etc. Using a wash of india ink, "one pint of alcohol and a table spoon of ink" has been used by model railroaders for years to make models look dirty and it highlights the details. I had not thought about using it in future, but it should work well. Be careful when buying india ink, in that some are not water solluable. The above mentioned ink works great and can be gotten at most craft stores. 
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Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:07 AM
Testors makes a black window tint in a rattle can in their Model Master Auto line
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Posted by modelchasm on Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:08 AM

Thanks for all the replies guys. Definately some good help here. I hope that someone else in the future can use this thread as well.

I ended up mixing a little bit of Model Master's Interior Black w/ Future. Spraying it lightly w/ an airbrush gave me the look that I wanted. Its not perfect as if I were to use one of the tint paints/ sprays, but it gave me what I was looking for w/o having to jump through hoops just to get ahold of the "correct" stuff.

Thanks again all.

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Posted by Higgy on Monday, August 31, 2009 2:07 PM

 jrherald420 wrote:
has any body used VHT Nightshades before??? its made for smoking headlighs and tail lights on real cars. I have a can of it somewhere, i just might try it sometime.

 

That is a great Idea, I have 2 half used cans sitting here. Guess they are going down to the bench!

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Posted by jrherald420 on Monday, August 31, 2009 2:18 PM
yep im trying it on the corvette lemans kit i have.
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Posted by Higgy on Monday, August 31, 2009 3:16 PM
Is that your Cobra in your avatar?

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Posted by jrherald420 on Monday, August 31, 2009 6:59 PM
i wish, my mustang was reposessed after i lost my job.
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Posted by Higgy on Monday, August 31, 2009 7:26 PM
Bah sorry to hear man.....

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:58 AM
Simple...food coloring and Future, sprayed on in light coats until you have the desired level of tint. If you screw up you can easily remove it. Just a drop of food coloring to a cup of Future.

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Posted by jrherald420 on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 9:34 AM

 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:
Simple...food coloring and Future, sprayed on in light coats until you have the desired level of tint. If you screw up you can easily remove it. Just a drop of food coloring to a cup of Future.

 

i understand what you are saying but VHT's Nightshades is a sprayable tint thats hard to screw up, plus if you already have a can of it why go out and buy future and food coloring????

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Posted by modelchasm on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 2:56 PM
 jrherald420 wrote:

 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:
Simple...food coloring and Future, sprayed on in light coats until you have the desired level of tint. If you screw up you can easily remove it. Just a drop of food coloring to a cup of Future.

 

i understand what you are saying but VHT's Nightshades is a sprayable tint thats hard to screw up, plus if you already have a can of it why go out and buy future and food coloring????

In my case it was the opposite .... I didn't have VHT's Nightshades, but I did have FC and Future .... ahhh .... too-che'.... HAHA!!!

BTW .... I'm assuming that you can get that VHT stuff from any automotive place!?!

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Posted by jrherald420 on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:34 PM

Most Autozones, O'Rileys  and Advanced Auto Parts eitheer have it in stock or can order it. I bought mine from Summit Racing when i order parts for my Firebird. It was like 15.00 a can.

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Posted by modelchasm on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 8:29 PM
Nice! .... Thanks for the tip. Might just have to check it out....

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Posted by ModelCitizen on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:38 PM
   you might try going to a place where they do window tinting and see if some of there scraps will work for you....i dont know if it would be out of scale or not but it could be worth a shot
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Posted by JTRACING on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:26 PM

tamiya smoke, spray it through your airbrush

 i used it on this windscreen the more coats you put the darker it gets.

 

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