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Jimmy Clark's Lotus
Posted by squeakie on Friday, June 4, 2010 2:55 PM

has anybody done a kit of the Lotus Ford Indy car that Clark drove to second place at Indianapolis? Either the stock block version or the four cam engine.

gary

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Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, June 4, 2010 3:46 PM

Check Tamiya, they do a Lotus, not sure which one off-hand

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, June 4, 2010 4:29 PM

grandadjohn

Check Tamiya, they do a Lotus, not sure which one off-hand

Tamiya has a Lotus 25 Coventry Climax, but you would have to squint mighty hard to get a Lotus 38 out of it!

Imai, Shimuzi, Bandai, Testors and AMC all did kits of the Jim Clark Indy 500 winner, but you would have to find them on eBay or similar.

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Posted by squeakie on Friday, June 4, 2010 9:33 PM

Bgrigg

 grandadjohn:

Check Tamiya, they do a Lotus, not sure which one off-hand

 

Tamiya has a Lotus 25 Coventry Climax, but you would have to squint mighty hard to get a Lotus 38 out of it!

Imai, Shimuzi, Bandai, Testors and AMC all did kits of the Jim Clark Indy 500 winner, but you would have to find them on eBay or similar.

I've been up close to the Indy Lotus Ford that Clark drove to second place. It's sorta similar to the F1 car, but then again it much different. The four cammer is radically different from either of the other two. But even if the F1 car were similar you'd end up scratch building the motor, and that would be a nightmare with the exhaust alone! Even the block is much different on the Ford engines than the production versions (255" OHV). You'd think there was a kit!

gary

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Posted by kenjitak on Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:28 AM

The car that Jimmy Clark raced in the 1963 Indy used a 256 ci pushrod v-8 that used Weber carburetors and ran on pump gas. He came in 2nd behind Parnelli Jones, but he should have won as Parnelli was leaking oil and everyone behind him was forced to slow down as there were a couple of spins. It was a controversial finish and kept the race and Ford in the news for awhile.

No one but AMT has  made a kit of this car and they also did one of Parnelli's in the mid-60's and they were very detailed kits for their time with detailed engines and suspensions. These were re-released in a 3 car kit of Indy cars during the ERTL years, but if you can find the early AMT kit they had vinyl tires rather than the plastic tires in the later kit. These pop up on the 'Bay every once in awhile for reasonable prices. The other kits mentioned are pretty far from the Indy Lotus.

I was working on this during the 500 but hadn't finished it. It's nearly there. Here's my 1963 Lotus powered by Ford:

Here's a group shot with the Jones Offy:

Hope this helps,

 

Ken

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Posted by RedCorvette on Monday, June 14, 2010 4:16 PM

IMC also did the 1963 Lotus 29.  It wasn't nearly as detailed as the AMT kit.  It was most memorable for the "squashed" driver figure that looked like he had been run over by a steamroller.

The AMT kit also included  the four-cam engine which was in development when the kit was released.  It gives you the option to build the test car with the short straight pipe exhaust and which didn't have an engine cowling. 

The AMT kit  also gives you the basis to build the 1964 Lotus 34, which Clark qualified on the pole (he went out with suspension failure due to the chunking of the Dunlop tires that Lotus insisted on running instead of the Firestones).  Building the 34 would require scratch building the revised engine cowling and coming up with a 'bundle of snakes' exhaust (which could be lifted from the 1968 AMT Indy Eagle or the IMC Lotus 38 kits). 

I built both the Watson Roadster and the Lotus when they were first released back in 1964.  Both are still on my "all time" list and I have several of each squirreled away in my stash.  I have to give AMT credit - they always did a good job on Indy car kits through the years.  Wish we'd see some new ones sometime - those resin kits are a bit pricey.

Mark

 

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Posted by squeakie on Friday, June 18, 2010 3:14 PM

kenjitak

The car that Jimmy Clark raced in the 1963 Indy used a 256 ci pushrod v-8 that used Weber carburetors and ran on pump gas. He came in 2nd behind Parnelli Jones, but he should have won as Parnelli was leaking oil and everyone behind him was forced to slow down as there were a couple of spins. It was a controversial finish and kept the race and Ford in the news for awhile.

No one but AMT has  made a kit of this car and they also did one of Parnelli's in the mid-60's and they were very detailed kits for their time with detailed engines and suspensions. These were re-released in a 3 car kit of Indy cars during the ERTL years, but if you can find the early AMT kit they had vinyl tires rather than the plastic tires in the later kit. These pop up on the 'Bay every once in awhile for reasonable prices. The other kits mentioned are pretty far from the Indy Lotus.

I was working on this during the 500 but hadn't finished it. It's nearly there. Here's my 1963 Lotus powered by Ford:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4673297279_e458233e5d.jpg

Here's a group shot with the Jones Offy:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4673345511_651f8761b5.jpg

Hope this helps,

 

Eddie Sachs was the guy who did the spinning, and all the yelling. Clark would never have caught Jones (I was there on the third turn) even without an oil leak. It was a very slight oil leak out of the external oil tank for the dry sump system. Clark drove a different groove than Jones all thru the race, and that's why he didn't win ( they set the suspension up for that particular groove). Sachs drove like a mad man, and literally drove the tires off the wheels, and that's why he spun. He was braking way late, and accellerating out of the turns way too early. Where as Jones was in cruise control. He wasn't even driving his roadster hard. But if you will check on the following year you will find that Jimmy drove in the normal groove like everybody else did (he who gets within a foot of the outter wall wins at Indy in those days). But as good as Jones was, I always liked Clark. Supposedly after the race Clark's Lotus came in under weight, but nobody filed a protest. There were not many whiners back then, but a punch in the nose every now and then often settled arguments (Sachs got his jaw jacked more than once). Jones without question was the smoothest driver to ever race at Indy. Rarely broke, and if his car did it wasn't due to his driving. When he was the first guy to qualify over 150 mph a bunch of guys raised cain because he was using 15" tires instead of the normal 18" ones. Hot Rod magazine said that he could have ran 150mph on tractor tires! Might add that Ford spent enough cash on that race to buy over half the cars in the field (some say three quarters), and many think it was the end of the race being fun.

gary

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Posted by RedCorvette on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:41 PM

squeakie

 

Eddie Sachs was the guy who did the spinning, and all the yelling. Clark would never have caught Jones (I was there on the third turn) even without an oil leak. It was a very slight oil leak out of the external oil tank for the dry sump system. Clark drove a different groove than Jones all thru the race, and that's why he didn't win ( they set the suspension up for that particular groove). Sachs drove like a mad man, and literally drove the tires off the wheels, and that's why he spun. He was braking way late, and accellerating out of the turns way too early. Where as Jones was in cruise control. He wasn't even driving his roadster hard. But if you will check on the following year you will find that Jimmy drove in the normal groove like everybody else did (he who gets within a foot of the outter wall wins at Indy in those days). But as good as Jones was, I always liked Clark. Supposedly after the race Clark's Lotus came in under weight, but nobody filed a protest. There were not many whiners back then, but a punch in the nose every now and then often settled arguments (Sachs got his jaw jacked more than once). Jones without question was the smoothest driver to ever race at Indy. Rarely broke, and if his car did it wasn't due to his driving. When he was the first guy to qualify over 150 mph a bunch of guys raised cain because he was using 15" tires instead of the normal 18" ones. Hot Rod magazine said that he could have ran 150mph on tractor tires! Might add that Ford spent enough cash on that race to buy over half the cars in the field (some say three quarters), and many think it was the end of the race being fun.

gary

The 60's has to be one of the most interesting in the history of Indy.  Not only did they have the European invasion with their rear-engined "funny cars", but there were the NOVI's, Smokey Yunick's side car,  Andy Granatelli and the turbines, and so on.  Quite the contrast from the current cookie-cutter spec cars.

Mark

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