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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:50 PM

No! You don't rub thinner. The previous posts state that using a gloss coat and touching the lines with a sharp small brush with diluted paint will produce excellent results. The rubbing part you read about is using an acrylic sludge wash over a solvent basecoat which is perflectly safe.

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Posted by TheLunchbox on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:57 PM
I suppose I'm anticipating problems that I don't have yet. As a beginner, I suppose I should be listening to you guys instead of trying to come up with a new way of doing something I've yet to attempt. Just such a perfectionist (which I honestly wish I could change about myself) I hate the idea of rubbing thinner on the finned paint job before I have a protective layer of clear on it.
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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:30 AM

Why would you sand away a wash to get the effects previously described? You are creating more work for yourself and possibly ruining your work. The only time I would wetsand the clearcoat is to get rid of orange peel or dust particles.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 8:50 PM

TheLunchbox
Ok, these all sound like good suggestions. However, I was thinking... what if I were to do it between clear coats? For example: do a clear coat, do the wash, then a light wet sand of the area till just the paint lying low in the panel lines is left, then continue with final clear coating.

Does anyone tried this before, or see any potential problems with this method? It just seams like it might be the least risky. It should also help maintain a slightly more natural shadowed in effect, as apposed to the hard line I would get with masking or inking it in.

I have heard of people doing this but I'd recommend against it.  Anytime you take sandpaper to your paint you're running the risk of screwing it up.

Here's an example of a plane I did with the panel line wash technique that I described above.  The plane was painted and gloss coated with lacquer paints.  Then I brushed some thinned acrylic paint into the panel lines.  Then, after that wash was dry, I damped a tissue with the appropriate thinner for the acrylic paint and wiped of the excess:

The lacquer gloss coat acts like a barrier between the base paint and the wash.

If you thin the paint enough, and you have a very glossy surface, then you can just touch the tip of the brush to the panel line and the thinned paint will just flow into the panel line.  This was mentioned earlier.

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Posted by TheLunchbox on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:05 PM
Ok, these all sound like good suggestions. However, I was thinking... what if I were to do it between clear coats? For example: do a clear coat, do the wash, then a light wet sand of the area till just the paint lying low in the panel lines is left, then continue with final clear coating.

Does anyone tried this before, or see any potential problems with this method? It just seams like it might be the least risky. It should also help maintain a slightly more natural shadowed in effect, as apposed to the hard line I would get with masking or inking it in.
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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:06 AM

TheLunchbox
Got it, panel lines. Ok, but since this step would be done after final paint, wouldn't the thinner used to clean it up start to rub away at your finish! Or does thinner have no effect on paint that is completely dried and cured?

 
The safest method is by having a barrier as previously explained. But you can use a very thin brush like a 20/0 detail brush to carefully touch those panel lines with heavily diluted paint, usually a few shades darker than the original color as to mimic shadows. The topcoat should be at least 2-3 days old to let it cure a bit, otherwise the basecoat may lift.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:45 AM

TheLunchbox
Got it, panel lines. Ok, but since this step would be done after final paint, wouldn't the thinner used to clean it up start to rub away at your finish! Or does thinner have no effect on paint that is completely dried and cured?

The trick is to use a different kind of paint for the wash.  For example, if you paint the model with acrylics then you could use thinned oil paint for the wash.  Or if you use lacquer paint for the model you could use acrylic paint for the wash.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 8:49 AM

Those lines, especially door outlines, can be easily overdone. I have seen light colored cars with door panel lines done with india ink- jet black.  If I want to darken any panel lines I just mix a darker shade of the base color- much more realistic.

One method to avoid damaging surrounding panels is to use capillary action and apply with a hypo needle in the seam only, not as a conventional wash.  When pen points were available, long time ago, some folks would use those.

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Posted by TheLunchbox on Tuesday, October 2, 2012 6:34 AM
Got it, panel lines. Ok, but since this step would be done after final paint, wouldn't the thinner used to clean it up start to rub away at your finish! Or does thinner have no effect on paint that is completely dried and cured?
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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Monday, October 1, 2012 11:33 PM

Those are panel lines...not to be confused with seam lines.

There are a few ways to do it but generally you take some thinned paint and run it along the panel lines.  Then, after it dries, you clean up the excess with thinner.  This is called a panel line wash (or a sludge wash).

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Darkening seam lines?
Posted by TheLunchbox on Monday, October 1, 2012 11:01 PM
I'm a new modeler, but I've gone in very deep, very quickly. One of the little details I've noticed in the 2012 "Show Cars" model car magazine is that some people seem to be darkening the seams around the doors, trunks, bumpers and stuff like that. I like the look of it cause it gives that little bit of extra realism. It looks like someone would rub some dark material around the seams, then buff the excess is away, leaving the body seams looking a little darker. Can anyone shed some light one how this is done?
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