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REVIEW (& build): AMT 1/16 1964 1/2 Mustang Hardtop

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    November 2013
Posted by FocusOne on Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:21 PM
Thanks for the reply! I'll definitely do some more research before painting.
As for the 2015 mustang they've already unveiled it and it looks...like a Ford Fusion Coupe -__-
I certainly hope they change it to be more distinct from the Fusion. The 2010 generation's the best looking one, IMO.
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Posted by JimNTENN on Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:44 AM

I had this kit a long time ago in my much younger years. I never got around to building it though. I don't remember what happened to it. I think I sold it. Wish I still had it.

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Posted by rangerj on Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:33 AM

Ford never ever marketed the car as a 64 1/2. That was media hype because of the early release. New cars were commonly released in the Fall of the year before the new year, e.g. 65s were released in the Fall of 64. To bring this up to date the new 2015 Mustang is the 50th anniversary Mustang and there will not be a 2014 1/2. I recall THAT KIT BEING RELEASED AT ABOUT 1978, but that is an old memory and I could be wrong. Back in the day I had a 2+2 fastback with a 289 Cobra engine and it was a screamer. That said I would take my 2007 GT over any of those old school Mustangs. I'm waiting to see what the "Anniversary" car looks like. That may be my last car. Also note that the early released, so called 64 1/2, Mustangs were limited to about 5 colors (IIR) and there are several changes (Minor) between the early cars and the full production cars. If you want an accurate 64 1/2 you would need to do some research.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, December 15, 2013 2:33 PM

Thanks for the review, it was very informative. This subject caught my attention since  I have been looking to buy a real 65 or 66 Mustang convertible but the prices are just too high! Although the term is commonly used , there is really no such thing as a 64 1/2 as Ford's Vin # and title information appear marked as 1965's. I love those Pony cars so I will continue to look for one.

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Posted by FocusOne on Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:18 PM

I'm not sure when this kit was first issued.  I've seen some of AMT's 1/24 kits of the 60's (Lincoln Continentals) and they had metal axles front and back, engine block, and a 1-piece underbody detail.  Some mentioned they were "promo" kits.  I'm not sure what it means but I guess they were offered with the car or at dealerships and made every year for each new car.  That would explain their simplicity.

So if this was offered in the 60's and as a "promo" kit then it is pretty good.

I'd like to think this kit was pretty cheap when first released (relative to other big kits) since some of Monogram's and Jo Han's 1/24 kits that I've seen were of the 60's and the detail in those were amazing.

Anyways, as for building I tend to get distracted by other kits I either get or I see sitting around (tomorrow's IPMS Christmas Party's gonna bring me more distractions, lol).  However I just learned of a local car modelling club show/competition this coming March with Mustangs as the theme, so I'll aim to enter this (and document the process on the forum) but I don't think I'll go for OOB...can't stand the front axles...

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Posted by leemitcheltree on Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:20 PM

I've had this kit before - and your observations match mine - for the scale, a seriously disappointing and underwhelming model of an iconic part of American automotive history.

I would have been disappointed to find this level of detail in a 1/24th scale car, let alone a 1/16th scale model.

A great pity - considering the subject matter.

But....good luck with it - sincerely!

Cheers, LeeTree
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Posted by mississippivol on Friday, November 29, 2013 7:25 PM

Yep, it's goin' to need some work. At least the basic shape is right, so it's not too difficult to make a silk purse out of her.

Glenn

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Posted by FocusOne on Friday, November 29, 2013 6:57 PM

I plan on painting this kit in Cascade or Ivory Green (dark metallic green?) extorior with Palomino interior (Tamiya desert yellow and buff?) with the regular 289 engine (black block gold filter and valve covers).  Factory stock version.

Yes, the Mustang was introduced too late to be 1964 but too early to be 1965, hence, the 1964 1/2 designation.  This kit should build up to the earliest version of the Mustang, but I can't really comment on the accuracy of the kit.  I'm not familiar enough with Mustangs to comment on whether or not you could build it into a 65 or 66.  

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Posted by Les.61 on Friday, November 29, 2013 6:19 PM

Are you planning on painting the kit?

I also noted the box shows it as a "64 1/2 Mustang Hardtop".  Info from Revell web site state  

"In 1964 at the World Fair in New York an attractively designed coupe specially developed for the young driver was presented to the public and it enthused the visitors. The first examples of this sporty and affordable Ford Mustang were designated the "1964 1/2 Mustang" to distinguish them from the models that came out in September 1964. First of all the Mustang was offered as a classic hardtop coupe and as a convertible with different engine variants, including a 289 cubic inch (4.7 litre) 8-cylinder engine that developed 190 bhp. The top speed of the Mustang was about 185 km/h and it accelerated from 0 to 100 in 9.2 seconds. Over 18,800 of the coveted convertible were made between March and September 1964."

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Posted by FocusOne on Friday, November 29, 2013 1:53 PM

Thanks for the feedback!

I've edited the post to mention my thoughts and findings regarding its age.

I've been meaning to include its age in the review and I was well aware that this kit predates the 1990 issue stated on the side of the box, but I totally forgot to mention it.

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Posted by rommelkiste on Friday, November 29, 2013 11:23 AM

Your review was well done but you failed to mention that the kit is an old tool and not up to todays standards.  I don't remember the exact release date but I am sure it was sometime in the mid to late '70s and does suffer in detail from the era.  In its day, it wasn't too bad and was much better than the 1/25 offering of the day.  I can't remember how many times this kit was re-issued but I am sure some parts have been deleted in its history and I am sure the age of the tooling does not help with the fit of some parts.  Over all, nice job on your review, brought back some memories.

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  • From: Australia
Posted by OctaneOrange on Friday, November 29, 2013 5:17 AM

nice review and it's sad the detail is so lacking. bigger scale = better detail is a simple rule that some kit makers don't seem to get. (like the 1/12 monogram kits are no better than their 1/24 counter parts)

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Posted by FocusOne on Friday, November 29, 2013 3:37 AM

Fixed.  Noob mistake, I didn;t know how to organize my photos until after I made the post.

I suspected it would but I didn't fix it because the photos kept showing (even after your reply)

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Posted by Les.61 on Friday, November 29, 2013 3:25 AM

The photos have not come through. You need to check them as it says they have been moved or deleted.

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Posted by FocusOne on Friday, November 29, 2013 2:31 AM

I wrote "& build" in the title because I plan on including the build process when I start in the near future.

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REVIEW (& build): AMT 1/16 1964 1/2 Mustang Hardtop
Posted by FocusOne on Friday, November 29, 2013 2:20 AM

This is my first time ever posting something like this, so feel free to provide constructive criticism on how I could write these better.

I don't consider myself a skilled modeler, so I hope that the pictures will help you to decide for yourself whether or not this kit is worth getting (and what you could possibly do with it).  I will still state my opinions about the kit.

Until I am skilled and experienced enough to provide a thorough review I will post these simply because I could not find much about these kits online and hope this will help other modelers to decide whether or not to commit to these.

Also, forgive me if I get my terminology is wrong, although I like cars I wouldn't consider myself to be much of a 'car guy'.

Review

So I recently acquired this second-hand kit for $25 (CAD) from my LHS (Burnaby Hobbies).  I bought this not because I'm a mustang fan, but I respected its place in automotive history and I felt it was a steal, at the time, for that price.

The box measures 14.5"x10"x3.5".  The contents can be seen in pictures below.  The kit includes optional parts such as tire white walls, Cobra-marked engine performance parts (intake system and oil pan), performance exhaust headers, raised rear suspension, custom rims, large performance tires, custom steering wheel and rally pac gauges for the interior.  It even includes an extra set of stock tail lights (chrome bezel and clear-red lens) if you want to give it custom quad tail lights.  There's also some custom decals for side graphics.  Lastly, there's thin and thick vinyl tubing for ignition wires and radiator hose.  Although I haven't played with the hoses I imagine the thick radiator hoses will be quite stiff and difficult to work with.

Initial Thoughts & Observations:

**EDIT: The side of the box says this kit was issued in 1990 but it's clear the molds are much older.  Doing some searching online, I couldn't find the date of its first issuing.  The oldest I could see was branded under Matchbox and was described as being from 1979.  I couldn't find the date molded on any of the parts either.  Considering the impact the original Mustang had, it's quite possible this kit was released shortly after 1965.** 

When considering a large scale kit I expect opening doors and hood, steerable front wheels and complete engine bay detail (battery, radiator, reservior bottles, etc...).  But that's probably because I'm spoiled with the Minicraft/Entex/Bandai 1/16 kits, which are superb from what I hear.  I don't expect details such as brake lines and engine bay wiring nor opening trunk.  Do tell me if you think I'm still expecting too much, though.

However, not only does this kit not have steerable front wheels, but it uses a metal rod to form the front axle, which means you'll get a metal rod through the engine block.  The front suspension consists of vaguely detailed upper and lower arms with a block sandwiched in the middle (not the outer edge) of the arms for the metal axle to run through.  There isn't anything resembling steering knuckles, which is odd at this scale.  It does have coil springs though (plastic part, not actual metal springs)

It has 'complete' detail (interior, underside, engine bay, but no trunk) but the level of detail looks as though they took a 1/25 model and simply upsized it...and simplified it further.  Take a look and you decide.

Ok, now for the pictures.  Take note that I got this pretty much new but buy the time these photos were taken I'd already started on it.

 nstruction sheet.  Paint guide isn't very clear, and many times incorrect.  For example, the engine is said to be painted blue but from my research the stock '64.5 mustangs (as listed on the box and instructions) had black engine blocks, header blocks and oil pan.

Here's an example of the detail level of this kit.  The box near the top is the stock carburetor

As with most American kits (all, from my experience) the chrome plating is excellent.  Despite the box art, the light buckets aren't chrome plated, but are flat and molded into the body.

Body with the doors and hood installed.  Body measures about 10.5" long

Door panel fit.

Interior.  Front seats are hinged with the hinge pins clearly showing.  Note the pedals are molded on to the floor, which is pretty lame at this scale.  If you're considering making new pedals note that these photos don't show you that this part of the floor (usually the other side of the firewall in real cars, if I'm correct) sits 5/8" behind the firewall, which would be 10" on the real car.  So making separate pedals may result in the pedals being absurdly close to the seats.

Engine.  the hole in the side is for the metal axle to go through.  The front metal axle is much thinner than the holes in the block (less than 2mm thick).  The kit includes a chrome plated stock air filters but the valve covers aren't plated, which means you can't properly depict the 289 HiPo of the 64.5 Mustangs.  I just found it odd.  I'll be building mine as the regular 289 (gold filter and valve covers).  Note that the block top, front and bottom had to be filed before gluing the intake manifold, timing cover and oil pan.  They don't fit that nicely out of the box.

Engine bay.  There are other details as well (see instruction sheet) that aren't shown in this picture.  Also, the hood is not hinged, but is removable.  Optional open-position hood hinges are included to build the kit with a permanent opened hood.

The exhaust system, excluding the headers, consist of 2 pieces which join together at the rear muffler.  This is after quite a bit of filing, but it had some serious seam lines.  And of course, the usual thick seam lines around the pipes were also cleaned up before this photo.

Rear suspension assembly.  Pictured are the custom raised leaf springs.  I'll probably use the stock ones.  The leaf springs wouldn't fit properly on the axles and needed trimming to align properly.  Shocks and diff case were also cleaned up before this photo.

The underbody mostly dry-fitted together.  Exhaust tips were manually drilled as they come flat.  

Tires/wheels.  I like how they included the steel rims beneath the hub-caps.  The white walls are hard plastic but seem to fit ok over the stock tires.  One thing to note, though, is that the kit includes 4 performance tires, but the front custom mags are molded narrower and only fit the stock tires.  Also, this kit does not include brakes...at all.  There's just the flat inner face of the rims you see when you flip the car over.  Also, there's a large post protruding out of the inner rims for the metal rods to slide into which makes it look real toyish.

Final Thoughts - Like I said, look over the photos and decide for yourself...but here are my thoughts:

Despite the many flaws of this kit, I'm glad I bought it (for $25, that is).  I'll probably add some engine bay wiring, separate pedals and maybe rear window cranks (I think they had them).  The most I'll do is add a steerable front knuckles, but won't go too crazy on the scale appearance.  Maybe even add brake details.

If you're looking for a nice large-scale model to build you may want to look elsewhere.  Minicraft reproduces Entex/Bandai kits which are thoroughly and beautifully detailed (I have the 1/16 Ford Model A).  There's also the Revell 1/12 Shelby Mustang GT500.  These are just some examples.

I also wouldn't recommend this to beginners since the fitting issues may be frustrating and the low level of detail is not-at-all impressive.  The parts are big, though.

If you're a Mustang fan or an advanced modeler you'll probably look past all this and see potential.  In that case I can't really say much (except for what I said I'd do with it).

Either way, I hope this helps.  Seeing as this is my first ever review, do let me know if this helps and if there's any details I could've listed.

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