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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:15 PM
WOW, thanks alot guys. Those are some good explanations!!Bow [bow]Bow [bow]
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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, April 11, 2004 6:46 AM
Leetree is on the right track. You sprayed Tamiya's spray paint, which is a laquer, over testors, which is a enamel. Laquer is "hotter" than enamel, which means the solvents in it are more powerful. The laquer paint lifted the enamel and caused the . You can spray enamel over laquer, or acrylic over laquer, but I would not reccommend it the other way around. Just my 2 cents, coming from a background of working with stains, paints and topcoats. I finish kitchen cabinets.
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Posted by leemitcheltree on Sunday, April 11, 2004 6:19 AM
Drew,
Hang on - I agree with Heath and Nicholma about finger oils and fish eyes, but if there are "cracks" appearing in waterbased acrylic paint (especially Tamiya acrylic paint), then I'll wager my house on the problem being the undercoat and the topcoat are drying at different rates, causing the top coat to crack as the undercoat shrinks.
I've had this happen a number of times, especially with Tamiya acrylics. Having said that, I still use Tamiya paints quite often, and recommend them. You just have to modify the way you apply them.
As the above two posts tell you, carefully wash the parts with detergent and allow to air dry. I always sand car bodies with 600-800 wet-or-dry to give the surface "tooth" or something for the paint to grab onto.
I apply a thin coat of primer and allow to dry thoroughly - a day or two is usually enough for primers. I usually use an enamel primer, or (even better) an automotive acrylic - but you have to be careful as the thinner in auto acrylic is "hot" and can soften styrene in large doses.
Applying the acrylic top coat should take time - apply a couple of THIN mist coats at first, wait a little, then nail it with a wet coat. Applying these three or four coats before the paint is completely dry allows all the coats to set-up (mingle with each other) and dry as a single coat. If you spray a wet coat, let it dry, then hit it with another wet coat, the thinner in the new coat attacks the paint in the first coat, causing it to expand and contract a little - which can cause cracks as they both dry (again, at different rates).
Sorry for the long winded post, but give it a try. You should be able to get perfect results with Tamiya paints - just experiment a little.

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Posted by nicholma on Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:53 AM
I agree with kik36. I have had this experience only once and it didn't manifest itself for a couple of days, so I'm sure it was a reaction to something on the undercoat, such as finger grease. It couldn't have been an incompatibility between the undercoat and the top coat because I've used the two many times before and since. Now I wash down between each coat and paint as soon as its dry.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:29 PM
Drew, it sounds like you are getting "fish eyes". It is a phenomenon where the paint seperates from certain spots, usually due to oil from your fingers. The best advice would be to thoroughly wash your models before you paint, and then use latex gloves when handling the model. Someone else might have another idea, but I think it would be a great start.
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Cracks in paint!!
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:00 PM
I have done two paint jobs with similar methods and had simolar ocerancesConfused [%-)] What I did was primed these cars with Testor's grey primer, then I sprayed with Tamiya Gloss Black. But I get these cracks in wierd places like on the one (a AMT/Ertle woody Stock) the paint on the hood cracks even after several new coats. But on this other car (An AMT/Ertle 63' Corvette which by the way was rather hard to find and is not a very acurate kit) there are some small patches of these anoying cracks in certain places and all over the tail! I don't know why it works sometimes and some not. Also these cracks are very tiny and do not show any of the grey primer. Also they are very hard to sand out so if you have any suggestions please HELP!Dead [xx(] Thanks.
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