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  • Member since
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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Benz Motorwagon build-finished
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:45 PM

Started my motorwagon yesterday.

 

 

What a nice kit!  The molding is exquisite, and flash is miniscule.  Fit so far has been perfect.  Maybe some build pictures tomorrow.  I am taking to heart the admonition on the instructions to remove pieces only  when really needed.  I did remove a few parts to make measurements for decals, but put them back in bag with sprue, and closed bag.  There are many very small pieces that are just about unidentifiable since this thing looks like no other car!  The small parts look very fragile too.  This is not a kit for beginners.  I clipped off a corner of the PE fret to try Casey' Brass Blackening on it. It gave just the patina I was looking for.  Disaster last evening.  I had finished the rear axle with Alclad Steel, and it was drying clamped into a micro clothspin sitting on a box edge.  The pin launched the axle clear across my shop (12 feet).  I heard it hit the rear wall.  That area of my shop is filthy- sawdust all over the shop, and big power tools over there!  I will have to do a major shop cleanup now to find that axle!

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by jeffpez on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:54 PM

I'm looking forward to following this. I recently built the ICM 1914 Paris taxi and loved it but found some of the thin parts were prone to bending and breaking when cutting them from the sprues. Does your kit have thin fragile parts? From the pictures it sure looks like it would. 

As an aside, did you finish the Allison turbo prop and do the internals turn when it's all closed up? Mine doesn't but it sure looks good. If you posted a picture of it when finished I somehow missed it and would love to see one.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:30 AM

jeffpez

I'm looking forward to following this. I recently built the ICM 1914 Paris taxi and loved it but found some of the thin parts were prone to bending and breaking when cutting them from the sprues. Does your kit have thin fragile parts? From the pictures it sure looks like it would. 

As an aside, did you finish the Allison turbo prop and do the internals turn when it's all closed up? Mine doesn't but it sure looks good. If you posted a picture of it when finished I somehow missed it and would love to see one.

 

Yes indeed it has small fragile parts.  Broke a small diameter shaft already.  It was about fifty mil in diameter by two inches.  Got it mounted right away and glued ends together after mounting, but it has a slight bow.  It is under seat, however, and may not be that visible.

Allison is all mounted on baseplate, but waiting for nameplate decals (inkjet) to dry before coating.  Done very soon now.  Did just post picture of it mounted.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:22 PM

Frame is now complete.  Here is the frame, and a few other parts I am still working on.

 

On the right hand side of the picture, from top to bottom are the countershaft pully, The engine block, the flywheel and the countershaft and mount.  As soon as I get anothere coat of paint on the pully I will mount it on the countershaft and mount that on the frame.  Still have a lot of work yet on the engine.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:11 PM

Looking great Don.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:33 AM

Very cool. I assume the wheels are PE? Where did you get this kit and what were the damages?

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Monday, July 20, 2020 12:15 AM

Hey Don, looking real good so far. Nothing like a flying part to motivate someone to clean other parts of thier work areas. I feel your pain regarding this first hand.

Can you show us the remaining parts of the kit on or off the sprue? Also I have not checked but is this still available, and if so what is the price point?

Can't wait to see more updates,

Ben

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, July 20, 2020 12:50 PM

midnightprowler

Very cool. I assume the wheels are PE? Where did you get this kit and what were the damages?

 

Yep, big sheet of PE.  I am on hold for the rest of the model, waiting for some backordered copper Alclad.  Going to start the wheels while I am waiting.  Painted the rims while still on the sprue.  The cross section of the rim and tire are very small.  The rim is black, while the narrow tire needs to be a dark gray.  It would be impossible to mask it well.  I am looking at taking the black rim/tire piece, now that it is gloss black, painting some dark gray on a sheet of cardboard, and make a fixture to roll the wheel through the paint on the cardboard.  I think I'll make a test wheel and try that.

I've already tried cutting a bit of the pe fret and putting it in brass blackening solution and like the patina- I will use that for the spokes.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, July 27, 2020 1:39 PM

I found out I made a big goof!  I had cut cut several of the wheel rim/tire pieces from the sprue before I began to assemble the wheels.  Bad idea!  The rim/tire pieces are supposed to be placed in the jig before cutting them from the sprue!  This holds the wheel centered in the spoke jig.  I have the spokes assembled to both front wheel rim pieces now, but it would have been a lot easier if I had intrepreted the drawing properly.  The sprue is supposed to be cut away while the wheel half is in the jig.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Greg on Monday, July 27, 2020 2:13 PM

Mistake or not, you're a braver man than I for even attempting this thing.

You get a thumbs up from me right now for effort alone. Yes

-Greg

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:42 PM

Finally got the Alclad Copper for a couple of the tanks.  The cooling reservoir for the engine needed to be sanded very carefully, so I decided to cut it away until it was coppered, so I cut it off the cylinder and drilled a hole in the bottom for a brass rod, and drilled the cylinder to match.  Also I did not like the cast oil reservoir- it needs to be transparent. I cut it at the bottom, cut the cap/filler off and replaced the reservoir with a section of 1/16 clear acrylic rod.

 

Now I mounted the engine in the frame, along with the flywheel, crankshaft and pushrod linkage.

 

 

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Albany, NY
Posted by jeffpez on Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:09 PM

Very impressive job on a really interesting kit. I was looking at it on Scalehobbyist last night and was really tempted to order it but didn't. Seeing these pictures may change my mind.

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:04 AM

That's coming along nicely Done.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, August 23, 2020 6:52 AM

I am stilll working away.  I am working on the wheels now.  The front one wasn't too bad, but the rear wheels are an absolute nightmare.  The rim and tire are cast together, in halves for each side of wheel.  The pieces are a semi-circle in cross section, with a diameter of a sixteenth of an inch- but almost three inch overall diameter across.  They are unbelievably fragile.  Each spoke has a tiny hole in the outer end which fits over a tiny pin in the rim section.  That pin is in a slight recess.  It is important to fit the spoke in that recess, else the two halves will leave a gap when glued together.  I have broken each half rim umpteen times, and have one rear wheel glued together.  It does have some gaps, but I will fill and sand, and hope people will not notice the variations in width.  This is not a kit I recommend to anyone but the most experienced.  I have had to make up more wheel jigs in addition to the one included in the kit.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

dlh
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Posted by dlh on Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:59 AM

Don Stauffer

I found out I made a big goof!  I had cut cut several of the wheel rim/tire pieces from the sprue before I began to assemble the wheels.  Bad idea!  The rim/tire pieces are supposed to be placed in the jig before cutting them from the sprue!  This holds the wheel centered in the spoke jig.  I have the spokes assembled to both front wheel rim pieces now, but it would have been a lot easier if I had intrepreted the drawing properly.  The sprue is supposed to be cut away while the wheel half is in the jig.

 

 

Thanks, Don, for that warning.  That's just the sort of thing I would do. I had to partially tear apart a Tamiya Lotus because I didn't read the directions properly.  Had to buy a second model.

Looking great so far.  I have one and will be watching your build.

Dave

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Posted by JohnnyK on Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:33 PM

Don Stauffer

I am stilll working away.  I am working on the wheels now.  The front one wasn't too bad, but the rear wheels are an absolute nightmare.  The rim and tire are cast together, in halves for each side of wheel.  The pieces are a semi-circle in cross section, with a diameter of a sixteenth of an inch- but almost three inch overall diameter across.  They are unbelievably fragile.  Each spoke has a tiny hole in the outer end which fits over a tiny pin in the rim section.  That pin is in a slight recess.  It is important to fit the spoke in that recess, else the two halves will leave a gap when glued together.  I have broken each half rim umpteen times, and have one rear wheel glued together.  It does have some gaps, but I will fill and sand, and hope people will not notice the variations in width.  This is not a kit I recommend to anyone but the most experienced.  I have had to make up more wheel jigs in addition to the one included in the kit.

 

 

Oh,oh!!! Maybe it's time to break out the swear words?

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, September 4, 2020 12:37 PM

Well, rather than give up, I'll go with what I got, see if I can make them acceptable. 

This is about the best I can do with the rear wheels.  They are too wide in spots and I am in the process of filling the cracks and gaps between the wheel halves.  I cannot keep the spoke ends entirely in the recesses.  The rim halves are just too weak and they bend while trying to glue the halves together.  So be it.  I 'll be filling, filing, sanding and painting them while I work on the rest of the vehicle.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by lewbud on Friday, September 4, 2020 5:19 PM

Don,

Those wheels look fantastic to me.  Are they radially laced or do the spokes cross like on a bicycle?  

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Saturday, September 5, 2020 7:52 AM

Wow. Are those PE?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, September 5, 2020 9:03 AM

midnightprowler

Wow. Are those PE?

 

The spokes are, the rim/tire halves are styrene.  The spokes are dished in a jig, and then captured by the tire/rim halves.  Unfortunately, this does not work perfectly.  The dishing operation does not bend the spokes enough to reach the yield point and the dishing keeps trying to rebound.  This puts a high stress on the spokes and they want to come off the tiny pins molded into the rim pieces.  I am sorry now that I applied brass blackening solution to the spokes.  I fear it hurt the adhesion of glue.  The spokes kept popping off while trying to glue the spoke ends to the rims.  I suggest leaving the spokes clean and unfinished, and painting them with the rims.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, September 7, 2020 8:54 PM

Now that the wheels seem to be coming along, I am working on the rest of the model again.  Got decent decals on the floorboards, and a few more gadgets in the engine area.

 

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:21 PM

Hey Don, how is your build coming along? So far it looks great to me! In fact, you inspired me to purchase the model. Those decals for the wood look fantastic as do the engine details. Did the leather like belt on the pullys come with the kit, or is this something you added?

I got the version with lady Benz at the controls and her boys at each rear wheel. Other then that it looks to be the same model. I hope to have it delivered soon....

Next update please!

Ben

 

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:32 AM

DRUMS01

Hey Don, how is your build coming along? So far it looks great to me! In fact, you inspired me to purchase the model. Those decals for the wood look fantastic as do the engine details. Did the leather like belt on the pullys come with the kit, or is this something you added?

I got the version with lady Benz at the controls and her boys at each rear wheel. Other then that it looks to be the same model. I hope to have it delivered soon....

Next update please!

Ben

 

 

Only thing still to do on the model is a drag link between the steering post and the fork.  I lost the kit part, so will do a brass one.  Hope to have it done today.

I am working on a base (kit is so fragile it is hard to pick up).  That will take a few more days, but I want to take some photos before it goes on the base.  If I get the draglink done this morning, I hope to take pics this afternoon.  It is supposed to be a beautiful day, and I want to take a few sunlight photo backdrop photos.

The kit belt was styrene, a bit thick.  I made the belt by folding over a piece of buff colored masking tape and trimming it to length and width.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:02 PM

Sky was too smokey today to get decent sunlight, so no outdoor photography- got a few shots on the unfinished base.  Maybe smoke will be gone by next week.

 

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by keavdog on Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:05 PM

Very nice Don.  Thats a model that really grabs your eye.  Great job on all that PE!

Thanks,

John

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Posted by wpwar11 on Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:19 PM

What an interesting subject.  Nicely done

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Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:55 PM

Very nice looking model. Interesting subject. 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, September 18, 2020 2:44 PM

It is a beautiful afternoon outside, no smoke, bright sun.  Got some good shots with my photo background (and photo road).

 

 

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by jeffpez on Friday, September 18, 2020 2:55 PM

I'm conflicted. I love the subject and your result is stunning but I also have reservations after reading your build log. At this point in my life I model for the enjoyment and try to shun things that cause aggrivation and annoyance. When I first saw this kit I was immediatly drawn to it but now I'm not so sure. What I do know is that I love the job you did and thank you for sharing it.

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Posted by fox on Friday, September 18, 2020 7:44 PM

Outstanding work Don! Couldn't do that pe if my life depended on it.Toast Toast Toast

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