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Bitten off more than I can chew
Posted by Foxy on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:42 PM

OK for my third ever model I decided I was competent enough to up my game...how wrong was I.. So after weeks of patience and more patience I managed to get to this point.. But have now realised I'm punching way above my weight and have no hope of being able to paint the colour scheme on the body work or indeed fit the large decals.. 

Has anyone ever scraped a build due to them being out of their depth or is it just a case of shelving it and coming back to it another time? ....if anyone has built a vfr750r and has any advice on the body work I'd appreciate it... Don't like half finished projects but don't want to mess up the whole thing by bodging the body work... 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KFPiVvaR91Z8worg8

 

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:17 PM

Definitely don't scrap it!  It looks fantastic so far!  At this point, you can do a couple of things.  Either put it on the back burner until you feel more confident after getting a few more builds under your belt, or you can charge ahead and experiment with painting/masking techniques for the body pieces.  Can't really give you much advice on a motorcycle build, but I can tell you that you can start over if you screw up the paintjob.  91% or better Isopropyl alcohol can strip those parts down to the bare plastic, without damaging the plastic itself.  If it were me, I'd go for it.  The only way you improve your skills is by trying different techniques and seeing what works best for you.

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Posted by gregbale on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:19 PM

Foxy
OK for my third ever model I decided I was competent enough to up my game...how wrong was I.. So after weeks of patience and more patience I managed to get to this point.. But have now realised I'm punching way above my weight and have no hope of being able to paint the colour scheme on the body work or indeed fit the large decals..

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if it's only your third build and you're talking about scrapping the project, then you will never enjoy this hobby.

It's about the process as much as the result; that's the same learning curve there is to anything. If you don't like how it's turning out...you could either put it aside until you experience or skills are more suited to the project...or [my advice] press on and use the build to learn and try out and have fun.

I'm not knocking your desire to do a good job -- we all have that -- but you don't become a brain surgeon on day one (or three) of medical school.Big Smile

But kudos to the fact that you're asking for help and advice. This forum is a great 'brain trust' of experience and ingenuity.

I wish I knew enough about your 'target' to help you out with specifics. If it was a BMW touring bike...or a nitro-burning funny car...I might have some better advice.

BTW, Eaglecash is right...you work so far looks great! Can't see why you'd want to 'bin' it at this stage. Take a deep breath...and figure out what 'Plan B' is. Yes

Cheers

Greg

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Posted by gregbale on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:29 PM

Probably should have said this first: what paint job is it that you're trying to match?

(I don't know your bike...but I've slung a lot of paint in my day. Answers may be easier than you think!)

Greg

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:37 PM

It looks good so far to me. 

Don't scrap it, and if you shelve it you run the risk of starting that as a habit, losing parts, or having your soon-to-be ex-wife throw it away for you.

Yes, those decals for the fairings look hard. They may not have been the best concept in the first place. Think about just painting it. Paint it white, mask and paint the red.

Bikes are hard builds. Kind of like the real thing, it's all a balancing act. Tighten this, and it distorts that. They can't be handled, and parts just start falling off after a while.

A couple of times I've resorted to youtube to watch someone rev a Honda RC166 up to 20,000 rev.s. The sound gets your blood flowing again.

 

Bill

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Posted by Foxy on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:50 PM

gregbale

Probably should have said this first: what paint job is it that you're trying to match?

(I don't know your bike...but I've slung a lot of paint in my day. Answers may be easier than you think!)

 

just trying to do the instructions paint job.. But the instructions are not very detailed in my opinion... I've added some pics of the colour scheme to the album.. 

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Posted by Foxy on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:00 PM

Thanks to everyone else for the words of encouragement... Like I say I'm pretty handy with an airbrush so spraying isn't the issue I guess it's just a case of getting lines straight between each piece for a constant flow.. Like I say the instructions don't seem to clear so it's hard to distinguish which is paint which is decals.. How much is a different colour to the rest etc... If that makes any kind of sense? 

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Posted by gregbale on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:57 PM

Foxy
Like I say the instructions don't seem to clear so it's hard to distinguish which is paint which is decals.. How much is a different colour to the rest etc... If that makes any kind of sense?

We've all been there.

The good news is that it looks like any masking needed is mostly straight lines. Partly why the scheme looks so good to begin with...but a lot easier for we poor modelers to paint!

Greg

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Posted by JohnnyK on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:16 PM

I would never toss out a partially built build. Just box it up and put it on a shelf for a while. Finish the build after you get more experience.

A couple of years ago I hit a huge snag on my partially built 1/48 scale B-58 bomber. I put it away  on the "shelf of doom." After six months I dragged it out and finished the build. I'm glad that I didn't "toss it".

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Posted by wpwar11 on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 4:13 PM

Dude that bike is awesome.  I definitely agree what others have said DO NOT TOSS IT!  I‘m in the same boat as you and recently posted my third model.  Stay the course.  It might be finished now or later but you can’t give up on such a nice model.  I can’t offer any more advice than that.  I’m new and model bikes scare the hell out of me.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:08 PM

Corral the parts in the box, and pu the box up on the shelf.

Take a break and build somehing else.

You can always come back to something later and start from a good beginning, rather than from scratch.

One of the worst things to do are to just slap the parts together if you are not "feeling" it.

Then, everything will go sideways, and in not very repairable ways.

Stopping can be much more important than finishing.  This should be about the process, the use of one's skills to ake soething unique.  Even if it looks like every other example of that kits (hey never really do).

 

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:23 PM

CapnMac82
One of the worst things to do are to just slap the parts together if you are not "feeling" it.

Had never really thought about that, but how true. And sound advice.

Odd, I did that several nights ago, and made trouble for myself.

-Greg

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Posted by lewbud on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:14 AM

Foxy,

As the others have said, don't throw it away.  You can do this, it looks a little intimidating, but it's not.  The surfaces you're dealing with are fairly simple curved surfaces.  The only complex cured surface to need masking will be the gas tank, but then all you have to worry about is making sure the colored band is uniform all the way around the tank.  You make your own masks for this using the decals as a guide.  Find a copier and make several copies of the decals.  You can either transfer the shapes to masking tape by either cutting out the decal copy and putting it on some masking tape and cutting out your mask, or you can cover the decals with a piece of clear acetate (clear report cover) and trace the decal onto a piece of Kabuki tape and then transfer it to the model.  I've linked a couple of videos to help you.  You've come this far, you can finish it.

https://youtu.be/qhzg-ZeUQlc

https://youtu.be/oAPlXs7pD3E

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:31 AM

Looking good.  I like the bikes and have a couple more complex paint jobs in the stash.  I'd say put the base down let it cure. Then have a couple beers and mask as others have said and go for it.  Worst case you strip it and try again.  Good learning experience. Good luck!

Thanks,

John

Ain't no reason to hang my head, I could wake up in the mornin' dead 

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Posted by Foxy on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:57 AM

Thank you all for the advice and help... I think I'll come back to it in a few days with a clear mind set and see where I go from there... I will post a pic of the outcome once its complete.,hopefully whatever happens it won't be to bad.. And like was said it will certainly be a learning experience. 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 8:14 AM

Okay, Listen Up!

       If you trash this you deserve a foot you know where!! I can see nothing that would warrant that kind of result. Life is pressing on you so your thinking is not as clear as it can be. Shelve it in the box and when you are really relaxed and calm go back to it. Never toss a kit that you've already done this well with !

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Posted by Foxy on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:03 AM

Ok I've added a couple of pics of my masking to the album.. If someone could look over it and see whether I'm somewhere near correct it would be appreciated.. Especially the rear piece as I couldn't figure that one out.. I'm hoping that once it's sprayed blue the decals will cover what it should just leaving the white along the bottom edge.. Oh and I know the yellow around the tank doesn't look straight but there is a strip of white curve tape underneath.... Thanks again for all your help.. 

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Posted by lewbud on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:42 AM

Pics didn't come through.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:24 PM

They are in the album linked in the first post.  I can't get the orientation right.  Can you put the parts on the bike?  

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Foxy on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:41 PM

keavdog

They are in the album linked in the first post.  I can't get the orientation right.  Can you put the parts on the bike?  

 

added a pic with them on the bike as best as possible... 

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:01 PM

Close I think - I think it should go something like this - you have to line up the front cowling to get the dark blue alignment right,  Then paint lighter to darker order

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Foxy on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:31 PM

keavdog

Close I think - I think it should go something like this - you have to line up the front cowling to get the dark blue alignment right,  Then paint lighter to darker order

 

thanks for this much appreciated.. It does like close especially once the parts are secured properly.... I'm kinda inclined to go with it as I think a second attempt would probably end up further out than this is..... I'm hoping the decals can be manipulated to even up things a bit if need be! 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:53 AM

Well See! 

     It looks just fine to me!.

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Posted by lewbud on Friday, September 11, 2020 5:56 PM

In looking at your last pic, it looks like your tape is fine for the light blue band, but high for the dark blue middle band.  It looks like you need to line up your cheat line on the nose fairing with the gas tank according to the instructions.  One of the videos I linked to in my previous post actually shows how he masked and painted this model.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Foxy on Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:20 AM

lewbud

In looking at your last pic, it looks like your tape is fine for the light blue band, but high for the dark blue middle band.  It looks like you need to line up your cheat line on the nose fairing with the gas tank according to the instructions.  One of the videos I linked to in my previous post actually shows how he masked and painted this model.

 

thanks for the reply... Its kinda going to have to be spray and see now as I've already sprayed the light blue... Had to fix some bleed on the petrol tank or I would have already sprayed the dark blue too... But that will be a job for next week once my working weekend is over...

I have a bottle of isopropyl on hand just incase :) 

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Posted by Foxy on Thursday, September 17, 2020 10:01 AM

Final pieces painted and clear coated.. Once they are dry I will attempt the decals.. Something I'm really not looking forward to and will most likely go terribly wrong... I will then put them all on the bike and see how well or indeed how unwell they all line up. 

Thank you again for all the support and help. 

 

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Posted by Foxy on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 9:19 AM

Finally plucked up the courage to attempt the decals... Went better than expected but not as well as I would have liked... Especially the tail piece, its way out and the top piece is lop sided... Never realised until it was to late was trying to lay down the sides and by the time I noticed it had adhered in parts so as I tried to get my brush and micro sol behind it it started to rip.. Learnt a lot from this tho both from doing it and from the invaluable advice I got... Some of which it may seem I ignored but I didn't.. I was just worried about making further mistakes whilst trying to correct previous ones if that makes sense.. Coat of clear coat to follow and then the ultimate test to see how far out my lines are... Thanks again to everyone..

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Posted by wpwar11 on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:40 PM

Decals can be a total pain in the ass.  I never look forward to them either.  As I build mostly planes I'm finding better results masking and painting some areas instead of decals.  The bike looks cool.

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Posted by Foxy on Friday, October 2, 2020 9:09 AM

wpwar11

Decals can be a total pain in the ass.  I never look forward to them either.  As I build mostly planes I'm finding better results masking and painting some areas instead of decals.  The bike looks cool.

 

thank you... Yes I think I got a little to ambitious for my 3rd model... I will certainly be sticking to smaller less difficult decals for a while until my experience grows.. 

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Posted by Foxy on Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:13 AM

Well it's finally finished... And I have to say i won't be attempting anything like this again until I have a little more than 5 months modelling experience under my belt.... Everything was going well until the body work then everything that could go wrong did go wrong... Bad decal lay down finger prints glue spills broken parts etc etc... Anyway it's all done now and all in all I'm not to displeased with it... At least the lines match close enough :)  thank you again for the help and words of encouragement.... 

 

 

Another front pic as the decal seems to be damaged in first pic for some unknown reason.. 

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