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  • From: US
Ghosting Question
Posted by hunterw450 on Thursday, May 6, 2004 11:19 AM
im having problems with the door handles on my 50 ford "reappearing" after ive shaved and sanded them. im also having the same problem with my filled areas. im using squadron green putty and flex-i-file sanding sticks and priming with dupli-color primer sealer. its almost like the putty is shrinking after the primer is applied, but i let it cure for up to 7 days . im pretty new to car modeling and have never run into this before in other models, ur help is much apprieciated.

thanks wes
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    June 2003
  • From: Reno, Nevada, USA
Posted by Silverback on Thursday, May 6, 2004 2:35 PM
Wes
You might try a light coat of CA after you have everything to the proper contour. The CA fills in the pores in the putty, and provides a barrier to the "memory" action of solvents in the primer. I've heard you can accomplish the same thing with a coat of Future, but I've never tried it.

HTH
Phil
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 7, 2004 12:48 AM
Great question Wes!!! and a great answer Phil!! I wouldn't have thought of either, and I really needed that info....I just never thought to ask. I like the "memory" explanation...makes perfect sense now that I think about it!! Thanks guys!!
  • Member since
    September 2003
  • From: Shell Beach, California
Posted by mojodoctor on Saturday, May 8, 2004 8:16 PM
There is actually two different problems happening when we see the ghosting images.

In the case of shaved details, the plastic in the details cools at a different rate than the thicker plastic around it after it comes out of the injection machine. Of course I'm only talking about a few seconds, but it 'tempers' the plastic differently and is harder. When we cut off handles, or chrome trim and sand it flat, there are two different surfaces that must be dealt with. The 'ghosting' in this instance comes from the plastic reacting to the paint differently because of the different hardnesses. When you cut off detail, you can notice that the plastic does not have that hard, crisp shine that the untouched plastic has. That crisp plastic is like a shell and the exposed plastic is the softer insides.

As far as the putty, even seven days may not be long enough for it to completely cure. The outside may be hard enough to sand, but the layers underneath may still be a bit softer. Definitely apply thin layers of putty and let them dry between applications. I try to use the same plastic as used in the kit to make a slurry filler with liquid glue.
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  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Oklahoma City
Posted by Cgarman on Thursday, May 20, 2004 6:00 PM
I have just taken to using super glue as my putty. If it is a small spot, I just use straight super glue. For larger areas, I mix the super glue with baby powder. Use enough powder to get a paste-like concoction and then slather it on in thin coats. Let it dry and sand immediately. The advantage to baby powder is that it prevents the super glue from hardening too fast. That is the main disadvantage to using super glue. It will eventually harden to a surface harder than the surrounding plastic making sanding a chore and sometimes difficult. Using baby powder, I have been able to fill and let it sit for a couple of weeks and not have problems sanding. As of yet, I have not had a problem with ghosting. Primer coat is usually duplicolor out of the can.
  • Member since
    February 2004
Posted by robertburns on Monday, May 24, 2004 4:34 PM
One way I like to remove handles is to use my moto tool to grind a small gouge into the body after the door handle is removed. I then use Evergreen styrene rod and CA superglue to fill the gap. With a little kicker (optional) I sand the area smooth. With a few light coats of primer, there usually isn't any ghosting. As far as using baking soda, I've done that in the past. I've stopped because Sam Freeman (of Freeman Resin) told me that after about 5 years the area where he used the baking soda and super glue affected the paint. It hasn't happened to me yet. I don't know if primers affect this or not. Maybe others can reply if it has or has not happened on older finished models.
Good luck.
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