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Bad finish with Future - help!

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  • From: USA
Bad finish with Future - help!
Posted by widepaul on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:54 AM
Just sprayed a final finish on my Tamiya Modena 360 with Future. The paint finish was fine - used Tamiya Ferrari red in a can. I had let it dry for several days. I did some light sanding to smooth out the finish then did a final spray with Future full strength with my air brush. Now the finish on the top and front hood of the car has a mottled finish.

What should I do? Should I take all of the Future off with Windex and start over - or can I use fine grit sandpaper and smooth out the Future that way?

Any comments/suggestions would be helpful,
Paul
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  • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
Posted by lizardqing on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:04 PM
I think the best route would be to remove the Future since it is so easy to do so, That way you won't run a chance of scratching up a good paint job.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:55 PM
swanny's site has invaluable future info. for your modena id say just strip the future, and when u respray, make sure you spray on a nice wet coat. dry coats will cause pebbling and mottling. www.swannysmodels.com
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Posted by widepaul on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:47 AM
That's great advice - I will follow up on it. I'll clean off the old Future with Windex then be sure the model is REALLY clean before I proceed. I might try thinning the Future a little with Polly airbursh thinner to get the Future to level out quicker.

Cheers - Paul
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 AM
widepaul
QUOTE: What should I do? Should I take all of the Future off with Windex and start over - or can I use fine grit sandpaper and smooth out the Future that way?


Paul I airbrushed pledge one go over my western star , pledge is the replacement for future here in Australia , I did 6 coats of it , and a couple of time it did run on me . There are a couple ways to fix I use a paper towel and soak of the excess or let it dry then use a q-tip with windex and rubbed the pledge off , this can be time consuming bit it works , I also find when airbrushing if you hold it too far from the model you can get pebbling(haze) on it ..if the hole model is peddled I would do another coat of future over it .. or you can soak it in windex and let the windex eat the future off , I don't know what the effects of soaking it in windex will do to the paint it may eat into the arcrylic's , I use enamels and haven't had any probelms yet , also I allowed the paint to cure properly , I left it for a week or so ..before using pledge..any way good luck..



mikeTongue [:P]
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  • From: Perth, Western Australia
Posted by madmike on Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:07 AM
Although, I use a paint brush with Future, I have found that you need at least 2 coats to see any sort of gloss finish happening and a couple more to get a smooth even shine. I have placed up to 14 thin coats on Aircraft models I purposely wanted very glossy. I would apply another coat and see how that looks. At the very least it may even up the pebbly orange peel effect.

Also move your airbrush closer to the model surface when you spray your next coat as the orange peel is caused by the atomised future droplets drying before they hit the model surface.

I hope that helps

cheers

MikeJ
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:49 AM
careful bout soaking it in windex, it may strip the acryl. im not positive, just a word fo caution
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Posted by widepaul on Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:49 AM
OK - last night I soaked the Modena body in a vat of Windex - it took off the Future pretty quickly and left the Tamiya enamel alone - but also removed all of the acryclic paint. Not so good!

I then washed the body off with soapy water and got it really clean - lightly sanded some bad paint areas that weren't smooth enough and then sprayed the body again with Future - looks good now.

Now I have to repaint the window frames without the window masks - takes a steady hand but shouldn't be too difficult.

Thanks for all of the advice!
Cheers - Paul
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  • From: Alice Springs Australia
Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:02 AM
Thats the problem with Future or Pledge finishes over acrylics.
Any sort of stripping, Windex or otherwise will damage the acrylic paint.

I did it once, before applying a wash, and learnt the hard way.

When finishing a model, if I want it too look perfectly clean, I Pledge, and it's done.
If applying washes, I will alternate between Pledge and enamel finishes, so no damage is done to underlying paintwork.

Takes some time, but better than respraying mistakes.
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