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Nascar kits to avoid!!
Posted by dale8chevyss on Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:44 PM
Hi there.  I'm new to the site.  My brother uses finescale modler.com as well as building many WWII aircraft and the like.  I usually build model kits of things I enjoy as well, and that is usually Nascar race cars, the 1:24scale ones. 

I have discovered a few problems with one particular manufacturer and thought I would post it online so others will not fall into the same trap as I have.  For those of you who have experienced the same situation as myself, you will know what I am dealing with.

Recently I purchased a 2004 Dale Jr. Budweiser Monte Carlo kit from AMT/Ertl.  Skill 2; no problem. Purchasing it was the first problem.  Actually the first problem started before that.  I had assembled a 2001 and 2002 car that was built by Revell/Monogram and those came together very sucessfully and I was very pleased with the results.  Not seeing a 2003 version of the 8 car by Revell, I purchased one from AMT/Ertl.  The 2003 car came out looking.. ok, but not as great as the 2001 and 2002 cars.  I figured I could learn from my mistakes and build a great 2004 car, purchased from AMT/Ertl.

I bought the car from my local hobby shop with high expectations.  The engine/chassis of the car went together great, and looks awesome, with some modifications.  I had to add the "Earnhardt Bar" to the roll cage, the bar that goes parallel to the front window (that some kits leave out but others don't; I had to add this one on).  The Earnhardt Bar was put into place after a driveshaft almost took out Dale Earnhardt one race; Nascar deemed that they needed something better in place than window brackets.  Ok enough history... back to my particular car.  I also had to cut away the dashboard of the car to allow for the remodificated ignition boxes; Nascar deemed in 2004 that the ignition boxes on all cars needed to be placed in the front window towards the right for all teams to see.  Also, cutting away part of the dashboard because the body of the car sat with the front end up in the air and the back towards the ground- this leveled it out.

Problems occured after I started to apply decals.  I realized that the decals were very brittle and most of them fell apart as I was applying them.  Very frustrating.  The goodyear decals on the tires did not apply at all; I had to glue them down.  Hopefully it won't look too awful bad, more than it already does.  I also ran into problems with the front window not fitting.  It came from the manufacturer bent.  I eventually glued that in and held it down for 24 hours with clothespins...

I emailed AMT/Ertl with my problems and they informed me that they do not carry or stock replacement parts and all that they suggested was to return the kit to where I purchased it, after I had over half of the kit assembled and painted. 


I am glad to say that my next kit will be a 2005 Monte Carlo from Revell/ Monogram.  If anyone has purchased from AMT/Ertl and has not yet assembled, I suggest returning the kit.  I am very frustrated at the look of the car and am not very proud of my effort.  I am more frustrated with the attitude of the company and how they did not seem to want to help me in building a sucessful replica. 


Thank you.
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  • From: White Mountains, NH
Posted by jhande on Friday, May 26, 2006 7:23 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of AMT [Ertl]

Even when I was a kid back in the 60's I had problems with some of their kits.

MPC was, I believe, a company all it's own back then and produced half way decent kits. But now AMT has their mits into them or owns the name and reproduces/reissues their kits.

I don't understand why AMT produces such poor quality compared to Revell.

Make better molds, make new molds, cleanup the molds, take pride in your product.
Maybe hire some quality control personnel?
Get out of the plastic model business!

I wish Revell would make the models that AMT makes.

Then we all can boycott AMT. Thumbs Up [tup]



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"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Posted by eizzle on Friday, May 26, 2006 8:43 PM
AMT used to have awesome diecast toy airplanes, 1/72 I believe, they were really tough! I hate their kits, I mean, it seems like almost everything is poor fitting or just doesn't work out right. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who avoids them if at all possible!

Colin

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Posted by dale8chevyss on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:32 AM
At least us modelers has an option.  Here's to hoping Revell doesn't follow AMT or we are all screwed.
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Posted by jhande on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:43 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto]



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"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Posted by Vartan041 on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:31 PM
I've purcheased AMT / Ertl kits that were sealed and yet there were still missing parts. The kit got broken aprt and was deposited into the spares box. In contrast, I've only had one defective Revell kit ( a warped body). I called Revell and they had a part replacement program at their website (don't know if it still exists), which was easy and painless. All hail Revell!  :-)
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Posted by DURR on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:26 AM

what is really funny is yrs ago i loved mpc

 hated revell and amt

this was in the 60's because amt and revell came with more details and at the time they were above my skill level

by details i mean amt had multipart front susp as did revell and both had  in many cases wheels you could position left to right

and of course revell almost always had extras like opening trunk lids or doors

mpc had simple solid metal front axle thru the chassis and eng block easy and simple yet so utterly unrefined   lol

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, June 2, 2006 6:59 AM
 Vartan041 wrote:
I've purcheased AMT / Ertl kits that were sealed and yet there were still missing parts. The kit got broken aprt and was deposited into the spares box. In contrast, I've only had one defective Revell kit ( a warped body). I called Revell and they had a part replacement program at their website (don't know if it still exists), which was easy and painless. All hail Revell!  :-)
Revell still has a parts replacement program but now charges $3 for shipping. AMT/Ertl had good customer service until they were bought by Racing Champions (RC). After that the customer service department disappeared. I think they recently took over Polar Lights as well.
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Posted by bilbirk on Friday, June 2, 2006 2:12 PM
I despise AMT kits!! But they do have some good subjects. There are several kits I'd like to have but knowing what to expect I stay away from themSad [:(]
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Posted by halfpint33 on Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:26 PM
I actualluy bought 2 amt Mark Martin kits for $1 apiece just to practice building/painting nascar models.Then,when I finish them to my satisfaction,I'll tackle the revell Martin kit I haveSmile [:)]
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