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SMS Carbon fiber decals
Posted by F1champ on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:57 AM
I know carbuilder has used CF decals on some of his models, but has anyone else ventured into this stuff? I have some for the car i'm working on and after going to four stores today found some decal softner for it so I can start experimenting. I was wondering if anyone has any tips on using it or any links with some good tutorials before i dive into it?

PS. I've seen some pictures of other CF decal sheets, such as detail masters, and i'm a litle dissapointed with SMS in comparison, so if anyone has any suggestions on the best CF decal sheets that would be great as well.

-Kyle
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  • From: Kings Mountain, NC
Posted by modelbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:26 PM

Kyle

I have used the SMS carbon fiber before and all I can say is take your time. They seemed very delicate to me but if done right look awesom. I had enough left to do the carbo fiber on the suspinsion.

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  • From: Paarl, South Africa
Posted by SeaBee on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 1:42 AM
Same here. We all complain about getting the stuff thin - well, these are! Used some a few timesa and the results were great, even on uneven surfaces. They react very well to Micro Sol (in my experience) and become next to broken up (so do not touch at all in that period!) thus adhering beautifully afterwards.

Some of the other stuff I've used in the past simply won't bend! And then when used on flat surfaces (wing endplates) they've now started peeling off! Censored [censored] (Less than a year after model being completed.) So I'll go for SMS anyday, but that's just my personal experience and feelings.
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  • From: Brisbane, Australia
Posted by shaun68 on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:47 AM

Yep, I will echo SeaBee's comments on this one. Don't be afraid to use plenty of decal softener, but don't be tempted to mess around with the thing once it is swimming - you'll only rip/tear/wrinkle/scrunch/shrivel the decal into uselessness. I personally use Gunze's Mr Softer & have never had any problems. I've also used the house brand of c/f decals put out by MRM International in the UK - they're pretty good too, with a slightly different weave pattern to them. One very important thing to remember, is to make sure you put a coat of paint down first. I made the mistake once of trying to put c/f onto the door of a rally car which was already black plastic, but had only been washed, not painted. Result - didn't work. At the very least put down a coat of gloss clear.

Oh & they don't like Testor's MM clear varnishes being brushed on - messes with the inks on the decal.

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Posted by F1champ on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 12:25 PM
Thanks guys, I ended up going to three stores yesterday trying to find decal softner. (a train store ended up having it) I've applied some regular decals with it but not the CF yet, they do become pretty fragile once you put the stuff on it, but they look so much better. Thanks again.

-Kyle
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Posted by vfxart on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 1:12 PM
What I haven't been able to work out yet is how to create templates or patterns to cut the stuff to proper shape for some parts is... when that happens, it will be a happy day indeed!

Also, anyone tend to go up a scale larger, so the patterns are a bit more visible? I've used :12 on motorcycles and they seem a bit hard to read, wondered if this was common for auto builders too.


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Posted by F1champ on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:48 PM
Going up a scale isn't a bad idea, like I said in my first post I was a little dissapointed by the detail of the print. I was expecting a nice weave looking pattern like this picture I found, but I read that this is actually slixx CF decals and not SMS.


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  • From: Greencastle, IN
Posted by eizzle on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:49 PM
The size of the C/F pattern will vary depending on what the part is. Most cars have a lot of diffrent sizes, so varying them would be most accurate.

Colin

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  • From: Brisbane, Australia
Posted by shaun68 on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:42 PM
I tend to go down a scale when I do suspension components i.e 1/24 on 1/20 F1. Looks a little more in tune.
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  • From: Paarl, South Africa
Posted by SeaBee on Thursday, June 8, 2006 1:01 AM
Back to the question regarding making your own templates. I've read somewhere (but haven't tried it yet) that the best way to create a template for an intricate shape, is to is masking tape, tape that over the area, shape precisely, unpeel carefully - and viola, you have a template. Sounds simple enought...
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Posted by F1champ on Thursday, June 8, 2006 2:12 AM
The SMS instructions actually say to use clear tape, but I think masking tape would work much better like you suggested. I've already made a few custom one's just by eyeballing it.
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Posted by vfxart on Thursday, June 8, 2006 12:46 PM
Hey now look... if you guys are gonna start making sense, I'm just gonna take all my toys and leave! I mean, of course you could do it with... some other... similar... oh poop it all. Now look what you've made me do.
  • Member since
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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by wolfpac on Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:56 PM
This is a picture of SMS 1/20 CF on the airbox.  This was part of SMS M1 decal sheet with the templates premade (cut and go at it).


This is SMS 1/12 CF that I used for the inner fairings.


I am not the most skilled with putting decals on.  I actually used Mirco Sol to help me place the decal.  It reacted very well with no tearing while adjusting position.  I used a Q-Tip to move and adjust the decals into place after Micro Sol was applied.

Hope this helps.
Erik
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