Drill Bit Set

Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Drill Bit Set

Posted by Dubau on Friday, June 30, 2006 12:46 PM

Hi all. I wanted to ask. Does anyone know about what size drill bit I would need to drill holes in an 1/25 car engine so I could put wires in it to make it look more real ?

I was looking at something like this:

Micro drill bit set in a plastic index with sliding window. Keeps bits securely in place and dispenses only one at a time. Prevents mix-up and loss of bits even if dropped. To use, simply slide opening in cover to numbered slot of bit you need. Set includes 20 drill bits (#61 to #80).

Thanks all

Bud

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Friday, June 30, 2006 3:04 PM

Hi Bud, well that's kind of a tough one. It depends on your wire really. I have some 30 gauge wire from different sources and they have different thickness' do to the insulation. Also if I'm going to run any other detailing like vacuum lines or smaller wires (32 or 34) I'll use 28 for my spark plug wires. The best thing I can say is to do what I did, find a fairly think piece of scrap plastic (kids plastic ruler I used - $.50). I then drilled holes in it using each of my bits from the kit below and marked the sizes with a permenant marker. Now whatever I need a hole for I just test fit it in the ruler and grab the correct size bit. Sometimes I remove the insulation from the wires to stick in the holes, like for the battery wires. Sorry I didn't give you an exact bit size.

If you are still shopping for a bit set, here's mine -

I got it at HobbyLink.com and works fine.

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Friday, June 30, 2006 3:12 PM

I thought it over and I guess it would be hard to get a exact bit size. Everyone is different, BUT you did help and I will try that.

Thanks

Bud

" You've experienced a set back, and without set backs and learning how to fix them you'll never make the leap from kit builder to modeler "

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Friday, June 30, 2006 4:34 PM

Hey Bud, I just checked my favorite 30 gauge spark plug wire. I leave the insulation on for sticking in the hole, it requires a #77 for a tight fit for say drilling a distributor and a #78 for an easier to fit in spark plug hole.

Hope that helps get you closer to the size. Wink [;)]

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Friday, June 30, 2006 5:27 PM

It does, but 1 other thing. Where can I get all kinds of different wires " sizes " and " colors " ?

Bud

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Sunday, July 2, 2006 4:54 AM

From me if I ever get to open shop. Wink [;)]

Well, there are a few online hobby stores that sell the wires. You can get some at Radio Shack or any electronics supply shop. Detail Masters is another source for the wires and all kinds of auto model detailing stuff.

Know anyone who is a telephone line repair tech? Their's tons of colored wires in those's black cables running pole to pole. Big Smile [:D]

Hey, you didn't hear that one from me... shhh... Whistling [:-^]

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Sunday, July 2, 2006 6:54 AM

Hmmmm phone lines. I wonder if anyone on my block would mind not being able to use there phone for a week LOL

Radio Shack, that's a good one. Never thought of that.

Thanks

Bud

" You've experienced a set back, and without set backs and learning how to fix them you'll never make the leap from kit builder to modeler "

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Mandrake2006

Member since
April 2006

Posted by Mandrake2006 on Sunday, July 2, 2006 1:33 PM

Are these special bits for plastic or can any drillset do?

Greetings

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Monday, July 3, 2006 7:32 AM

Any drill set will work as long as the bits are small enough. Don't forget, we are talking about drill bits with roughly the diameter of sewing needles.

I believe mine was stated it was fine for drilling in - plastic, wood, and metal.

Although I wouldn't attempt metal with my old shaky hands with a super thin drill bit in a pin vise. Tongue [:P]

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Monday, July 3, 2006 1:48 PM

OK, looks like I am going to get the Squadron Bits you post here. Now I am looking for a Pin Vise that will fit them. I was looking at this one, but have no idea on mm's.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TM74051

Will something like that fit the bits ?

Thanks

Bud

" You've experienced a set back, and without set backs and learning how to fix them you'll never make the leap from kit builder to modeler "

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Monday, July 3, 2006 8:56 PM

No Bud, it would have to be more like the - Tamiya # 74050 / Includes 2 x double ended chucks to hold 0.1mm to 3.2mm bits.

Or These

Testors double-ended #50629

Squadron Swivel Head #10803

-- Jim --
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Aaronw

Member since
September 2015
From: The Redwood Empire

Posted by Aaronw on Friday, July 7, 2006 2:47 AM

There is a nice set of about 10 small drill bits for the Dremel, I find they are the perfect size for models, I've used them to drill out resin wheels to use with those metal axle kits and open up optional holes in kit bodies, I always seem to have a size I need. I don't do much wiring of engines though so I can't be sure they will work for you but I'd guess they would.

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Friday, July 7, 2006 9:11 AM

OK, I picked out the 2 items I need and I wanted to know if the Pin Vise would fit these Drill Bits ?

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SQ10803

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SQ10821

Thanks all

Bud

" You've experienced a set back, and without set backs and learning how to fix them you'll never make the leap from kit builder to modeler "

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Friday, July 7, 2006 10:21 AM

Looks like you are all set Bud. Thumbs Up [tup]

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Friday, July 7, 2006 10:23 AM

Thanks Jim

Bud

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Friday, July 7, 2006 12:46 PM

No Problem Bud, glad to have helped. Wink [;)]

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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mfsob

Member since
March 2005
From: West Virginia, USA

Posted by mfsob on Friday, July 7, 2006 2:01 PM

*chuckles* Welcome to the weird and wonderful world of ... SHIP modeling, guys!

Just kidding. Kind of. A #61-80 bit set and pin vice (shipspeak for a drill chuck) was one of the first things I had to buy when I got back into modeling and started with 1/700 scale ships - a No. 75 is about right for most portholes at that scale.

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Friday, July 7, 2006 5:51 PM

mfsob wrote:
*chuckles* Welcome to the weird and wonderful world of ... SHIP modeling, guys!
Just kidding. Kind of. A #61-80 bit set and pin vice (shipspeak for a drill chuck) was one of the first things I had to buy when I got back into modeling and started with 1/700 scale ships - a No. 75 is about right for most portholes at that scale.

A #75 for portholes... Shock [:O]

My gosh, how big are the ships?
I mean they can't be very long...

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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mfsob

Member since
March 2005
From: West Virginia, USA

Posted by mfsob on Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:08 PM

No, they're not very big, but since I live in an apartment and space is at a premium ... a WWII Victory-class cargo ship is about 7 3/4-inches long, and the nuclear powered USS Enterprise aircraft carrier, even in the smaller 1/720 scale, is only 18-inches long.

Gotta admit, though, I'm not sure how much longer my aging eyes can keep doing this squinty-scale stuff, and I have to trade up to 1/350 scale.

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM

Sounds like a nice size so as the kits don't over take the apt. Wink [;)]

I needed glasses since I was in high school to see far away. Now I'm having trouble seeing close up. Getting real close for that BIG magnifying glass. Sad [:(]

-- Jim --
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rudedog

Member since
November 2003
From: west springfield,mass

Posted by rudedog on Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:40 AM

Hi Bud.That looks like a pretty cool drill index[ which I desparately need.So,where can I get 1 like it ?? Thanks, rudedog

"...That's an order,not a debate topic , Sergeant Rudzik..."

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:44 AM

Well, this is what I will be getting when I get up some cash.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SQ10821

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SQ10803

Hope this helps

Bud

" You've experienced a set back, and without set backs and learning how to fix them you'll never make the leap from kit builder to modeler "

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:36 AM

Just an update. I just won this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Tiny-Small-20-Drill-BITS-61-80-HSS-Wire-Gauge-FREE-PIN_W0QQitemZ270007922028QQihZ017QQcategoryZ2594QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem I know it might not be as good as the others listed here, but it was cheep and I was low on cash hehehe

Bud

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tarp35

Member since
August 2006

Posted by tarp35 on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 1:00 PM

Dubau, I found a good supplier for small bits from Harbor Freight. For $12 regular or $7 when on sale you can get a mix of 50 resharpened industrial bits that range from smaller than #80 to #60 and a few odd ones. There are duplicates of most, of course, which is nice as they break often. I order a set every time they go on sale or I need something else to keep the shipping down. Most have a standard shank which is nice as you do not have to change the collet so often. They have a plastic band below the fluted area that usually has the size in thousands of an inch. I have a nifty 12 inch steel railroad scale rule that has a converson table etched on it for #sizes to thousands of inches. For those that may not have the size you can use a micrometer or test it againse a known drilled hole as one guy did with his plastic ruler. TARP

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tarp35

Member since
August 2006

Posted by tarp35 on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 1:04 PM

Another source of wire is the Dollar Store or equivelent. Buy a 25 foot phone cord and get four colors of small wire for a buck. TARP

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 1:12 PM

Thanks, will have to look into that

Bud

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 8:40 AM

Hey just a few points of interest. As far as wire sizes you can get multiple sizes of wire from regular electrical wiring like old extention cords and smaller gauges by stripping the insulation and unwinding the twisted wire inside as the twisted center conductors wire gauge changes as the wire gauge changes for the overall diameter to keep a constant number of strands in the wire itself.

Also industrial supply stores that sell acetylene torches quite often have drill bit type tip cleaners that are pretty cheap and have a few very small drill bits in them. There are only about 9 bits in the set but it's a pinvise holder and storage container also.

Some of the phone lines arenow made with a copper ribbon wrapped around a fiberglass or synthetic string so that won't work very well for models. radio shack used to have some super small solder about 26 gausge or so that is great for wiring as it does not have and "Spring" to it and stays pretty much where you put it. Just make sure you keep it away from children as lead is extremely dangerous to children, younger the child the more dangerous it is.

Tracy

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 9:51 AM

Thanks for the info Tracy Thumbs Up [tup]

Bud

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jhande

Member since
November 2005
From: White Mountains, NH

Posted by jhande on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 2:57 PM

Tracysw wrote:
Some of the phone lines arenow made with a copper ribbon wrapped around a fiberglass or synthetic string so that won't work very well for models. radio shack used to have some super small solder about 26 gausge or so that is great for wiring as it does not have and "Spring" to it and stays pretty much where you put it. Just make sure you keep it away from children as lead is extremely dangerous to children, younger the child the more dangerous it is.
Tracy

Sorry, I forgot that many area's have already upgraded their phonelines to fiberoptic. I live in a really rural area so we are still stuck with the old fashion copper wires coated in colored vinyl. A three to four foot length of the wire that runs pole to pole fell off the technicians truck when he pulled out of my driveway. Whistling [:-^]

There's literally enough wires to keep me supplied for years and many different colors too.

Regarding solder - you could always get lead-free. Wink [;)]

Other sources for wire - bead craft, jewelry, arts & crafts.
I've picked up a spool of silver wire at Wal*Mart and it works great for fuel lines and brake lines. Also at Wal*Mart in the beading isle they have a package of thin black tubing (I think for necklaces), works great for heater hoses.

Don't forget to run those vacuum hoses, windshield washer pump hoses, tranny coolant lines, etc... Big Smile [:D]

-- Jim --
"Put the pedal down & shake the ground!"

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Dubau

Member since
March 2006
From: Boyertown, PA, USA

Posted by Dubau on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 3:10 PM

Cool, you let me know when the technicians truck comes by your house.

All of us could gang up on him and we can rob him blind....... LOL.............Not for money, just the wire Big Smile [:D]

Bud

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