squeakie, this question is for you.

zgator wrote:

Man, this kit comes with a hood scoop. Kinda like two scoops along side each other. It would be a good choice for an AWB body. Right now I'm doing an AWB 67 GTX that I know never was but just using the body as a styling excersise. I cut out the trunk and have one side done with the AWB and have started on the other. Maybe I'll get a decal sheet for the 64 as a Ramchargers. Nobody but you and I will know!!! The kit comes with a cross ram dual 4 Hemi engine and fenderwell headers. I don't know I'll do something with it, but the AWB seems more likely right now. What do you mean about making it an alum. front end sheetmeatal wise? I know the difference in the 65-66 with the single headlight.

OK, if it has the twin scopp hood, it's a max wedge front end. A hemi hood used a one piece scoop that was the same distance all the way accross. But, the early 1964 hemis that used the stock wheel base also used the max wedge sheet metal. Most all were two door hardtops with Carter carbs (3705's to be exact). Who used them I don't remember, and from what I can gather there were maybe five of them.

    Altered wheel base cars (like we normally think of) didn't appear till 1965, and ran in AFX. Most used hillborn injection (long tubes for automatics). Besure to omit the inner head lights if you build this one as they were deleted at the factory.

gary

Man, this kit comes with a hood scoop. Kinda like two scoops along side each other. It would be a good choice for an AWB body. Right now I'm doing an AWB 67 GTX that I know never was but just using the body as a styling excersise. I cut out the trunk and have one side done with the AWB and have started on the other. Maybe I'll get a decal sheet for the 64 as a Ramchargers. Nobody but you and I will know!!! The kit comes with a cross ram dual 4 Hemi engine and fenderwell headers. I don't know I'll do something with it, but the AWB seems more likely right now. What do you mean about making it an alum. front end sheetmeatal wise? I know the difference in the 65-66 with the single headlight.

zgator wrote:

Ok, gary, this kit is a hardtop. I'd like to build an old school drag car out of it. I'm open to doing a NASCAR if thats the best way to go. I don't like building a drag car that never was. The decals that came with this kit call the car "RE-CHARGED". I like the body style. Would it be too hard to make a post sedan out of it. I've got styrene sticks that could be used for the B piller? I can't picture in my head a post sedan but I'll bet it's got a way different C piller and back glass.

OK, I ask around with folks that would know.

     There were between three and five race hemis built on the two door hardtop body. One's in Indianapolis, and another is somewhere in Michigan. Cars are extremely rare, and worth millions. The normal race hemi cars were all built on the two door sedan body (these are the ones with the Holley carbs [so keep all the engine thoughts in the back of your noggins for a minute cause it's gonna ruin your day]). The rear wheels are moved forward about 4 inches, and the front wheels are about 2 1/2 inches forward. The wheel wells are notched for clearence. There is no battery in the front unless the owner put it there. The right shock tower is notched for clearence, and the radiator is offset two inches to the right. Two door hardtops were all built on the midline body (Belvedier (sp)ETC.), and never on a Polara or Fury. Rear leaf springs are assemetrical with the front part being about 40% of the total length (maybe closer to 33%). They used the basic Stage III max wedge front end sheet metal on the hartops (different hood scoops). All hartops used the standard bench seat, and the sedans usd the A100 bucket seat that was lightened. There are no window cranks on the sedans as they used a strap made from seat belts to open and close the windows. No outside mirrors. Frame rails were not tied together at the factory, but they sold a kit to do this. Very early ones used round tubing, and later ones used rectangular tube. Now for the motor: it sets between the frame rails two inches offset to the right side, and is about an inch angeled to the right side (passenger side), so it's crooked and offset to one side. This was not for clearence, but for harmonics in the drive train. The radiator is angled to be parallel with the fan. There will be only one exhaust pipe with a small six cylinder muffler. About 750 HP with a set of "Racer's Rollers" (72R to be exact). Automatic cars used a much longer collector on the headers, and a stick normally used a 16" long one. The cams that were in vogue at the time were from Racer Brown and Isky, but once in a great while someone would use an Engle. None of the other brands were used. All race hemis used the Milodon external oil pickup assemble and a ten quart oil pan instead of the normal six quart one. There will be a chain attached to the block (near the water pump) that goes to the left fender wall to keep the motor from shifting too far to the right, and thus binding up the shift and clutch linkage. Was not always used with an automatic.

    There was a 415 HP hemi built with smaller carbs and lower compression, but few if any were built (it was a cataloged item though). It only came with a stock wheel location and steel front end (no hood scoop). This car would be making about 640 HP. as delivered. The only four speed transmission used was cast iron. Dana 60 rear ends were not used till 1966 in the four speed cars, but were often retro fitted to the earlier cars. A typical big carb engine will do about 700HP. from the factory.

    If you build a California Flash car, the rear suspension would be a four link and a Dana 60. No leaf springs were used with this car. You'll also need two coil over shocks for it.

    Now there was one other race hemi built in 1964, and I don't think the NHRA boobs let it race. It was called "the two percent car". It's basicly a standard body shifted to the rear about two percent of the wheel base (about three inches). So it looks like they actually built three different ones (I've never seen this one).

    The roof line on the sedan is completely different than the hardtop. The rear glass is flat and almost vertical. I'll try to find a picture for you.

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Ok, gary, this kit is a hardtop. I'd like to build an old school drag car out of it. I'm open to doing a NASCAR if thats the best way to go. I don't like building a drag car that never was. The decals that came with this kit call the car "RE-CHARGED". I like the body style. Would it be too hard to make a post sedan out of it. I've got styrene sticks that could be used for the B piller? I can't picture in my head a post sedan but I'll bet it's got a way different C piller and back glass.

zgator wrote:

While I was looking for the Challenger decals I came accross a Jo-han 64 super stock Dodge. If this was yours, what old school would you make out of it, providing I can get the decals.

probably "Candystick" or "Candymatic" assuming it's a two door sedan. Nearly all 1964 hemis are two door sedans unless they're a circle track car. For the life of me I can't remember if Dick Landy ran a 64 Dodge, and if he did it was a two door sedan (never saw him in a max wedge car). Lindemood ran two door sedans (Color Me Gone)

    Here's what you can do if it's a two door hardtop.

* build a NASCAR Dodge

* build an aluminium front ended max wedge car (find a back issue of Hotrod Magazine for the 1964 Winter Nationals coverage)

If the kit were a Plymouth, you'd have a better choice of cars. Even the Golden Commandos ran a two door hardtop. But also for the life of me I can't remember wether the early 1964 hemis were two door hardtops of sedans. There are actually two different 1964 hemi combos, and they look a little different even on the outside. The rear wheels are moved forward a couple inches as well as the front wheels. The wheel wells were just notched at the factory for clearence. Also they used Carter carbs instead of Holleys. They used a different hood scoop on the later one (looks like a 1965 scoop). I've only seen a couple of them, and virtually all were converted to the newer configuration. So with a stock body your kinda stuck with an early race hemi (even though it's still a late hemi). But still if anybody ran one in a Dodge, I'd have to say the Ramchargers did. I've seen decales for "Candymatic" as well as "candystick." Cars were white with these red stripes that ran lengthways ontop of the body. Somewhere I've got a picture of me standing next to "Candystick." If you build that Dodge as a race car let me know, and I'll show you how to set the frame and leaf springs up.

gary