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Best material for carving a canopy mold?

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Posted by fx dude on Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:32 PM
welllllll....plaster,wood (jelutong was a shop favorite back when),and other materials and suggestions are fine and often work great.....but. Try and get yourself a chunk of ren-shape.This a material we use for patternmaking alot in the studios.Different densties,hard but also soft for carving/sanding,no grain.. comes in sheets ,usually 2" thck....good luck.....fxdude
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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:36 PM
Subnuke, would that sealer be a good choice to seal an electric guitar before primering and painting?
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Posted by batai37 on Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:38 AM

 tankerbuilder wrote:
You do need to remember to allow for the scale size of the canopy so, make the mold a little smaller , unless you are using.010 or thinner , which by the way I do not recommend .

Just found this thread and am in the learning process for making canopies. I've been under the impression that the commonly accepted thickness for canopy-making is .010. What thickness do you recommend?

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:07 PM
   Hey , Mr Matthew Usher :     I thought you were to young to remember balsa and dope and all that dinosauric stuff . Bless you ,you are a real believer . All kidding aside Matt , I have been doing it this way nigh on to 40 yrs now and except for a change from hot fuel proof dope to urethane I still do it the same way . I guess you could say Hi-Tech plastic meets old world true problemsolving ,     tankerbuilder
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Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:50 PM
    HELLO ! The best material i,ve found is basswood . To answer everyone,s question the sealer I use is clear urethane topcoat . I put on one coat ,sand well , then , add coat two . You do need to remember to allow for the scale size of the canopy so, make the mold a little smaller , unless you are using.010 or thinner , which by the way I do not recommend .You can heat the plastic with a hair dryer ,BUT , don,t get the plastic to hot or the canopy will be discolored.    Tankerbuilder
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Posted by ModelNerd on Monday, November 19, 2007 2:06 AM
 wing_nut wrote:
 ModelNerd wrote:

Marc, you can get a vac-formed Type 5 canopy made by Falcon Industries from Roll Models.

 

 

WHOA  I almost missed this one.  Great... thnaks for that info 

P.S. - Squadron also has them (part no. 9636, Type 5 and Type 10 in one set).

 

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Posted by dostacos on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:15 PM

20 minute casting plaster. you can sand it with durite sheets, and wet cloth for a fine smooth finish. If you remove too much off, you can add more to the mold.

 once the mold is finished the plaster needs to be sealed or REALLY dry. Easied way to seal it would be a tube of ambroid cement {old school wood model glue} or any other varnish.

 

heat the plastic and have at it

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:47 PM
Good ideas tinker... Thanks

Marc  

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:46 PM
 ModelNerd wrote:

Marc, you can get a vac-formed Type 5 canopy made by Falcon Industries from Roll Models.

 

 

WHOA  I almost missed this one.  Great... thnaks for that info 

Marc  

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Posted by Tinker on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:54 PM

Try carving your "buck" from a bath-size bar of soap.  When finished, use a wet finger to smooth the surface or maybe a Q-tip dipped in water.  

Another idea would be to pour a cube of plaster and carve it.  Kinda like Leanardo carved marble blocks.  Plaster would be easier to seal than soap.

Don't laugh 'til you try it.  After all, this is the "Scratch Building" thread.    Chef [C=:-)]

 

 

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Posted by ModelNerd on Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:26 PM

Marc, you can get a vac-formed Type 5 canopy made by Falcon Industries from Roll Models.

 

- Mark

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Posted by fantacmet on Friday, September 21, 2007 3:11 AM
Have you thought about maybe some Sculpey III?  You can get the basic shape, then bake it, and then do soem final sanding carving and shaping on it.  Just a thought.

    

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:19 PM

HEY JERSEY...  welcome to the boards Jerry.  Always nice the have someone from The Garden State Confused [%-)] in here.

 

Steve...

Can't beat a Jersey shore vacation.  Not sure if there is an application in plastic scale modeling for dope.  Its purpose is to make the light weight fabric skin of an aircraft... model or real... hard and sort of rigid.  It not the fabric will flutter in the air stream and I don’t think that will be a good thing for liftDead [xx(]

 

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Posted by SteveM on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:23 AM

Thanks, WN. I guess I couldv'e done that research myself. It just sounds odd and vague to me when I see it at the Hobby Lobby, and a clerk would only laugh at my question. Does it provide the same basic purpose for a scale model? I'll have to buy some dope and do some experimenting (oldest joke in modeling, I'm sure).

Grampa, I'll be up your way in less than a month. First Cape May, then up to Manahawkin (LBI) for a week. Any hobby shops up 'bere worth the 45 min. drive?

Steve 

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Posted by Grampa on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:04 PM

Hey Wing _Nut,

Sounds like your modelling career started like mine, with balsa, silk span, an.049 and bloody knuckles!  I flew u-control,hand launch gliders and free-flight.  I did build some solid wood models (Strombecker) and they may have been bass wood.  I never had a sharp enough knife to do them justice though.  I have used bass wood for cowl molds and it worked well.

Nice chatting with you

Jerry (In Toms River)

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, August 18, 2007 9:27 PM

Ken... thanks for the info. I am about to enter a new pahse of modeling... wood carvingShock [:O]

 

Steve... have alook here

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_dope

Marc  

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Posted by SteveM on Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:49 PM
I want to know what dope is and what it's effects are, but I've always been afraid to ask, for obvious reasons...

Steve M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 18, 2007 9:15 AM

Basswood is great for carving and building models.  I use the material extensively in my scratchbuild models.  The only place I use plastic is when something clear is required.

Any wood sealer will work well.  I personally use Minwax Sanding Sealer.  Read the instructions on the can and away you go.  Sand the wood down nicely, don't really need more than around 200 grit, then apply sanding sealer.  Once dry, sand as smooth as you want.  You can get a nice, smooth, surface using this type of product.  I have found the Minwax products to be reliable for wood.  Anything they sell is about as good as you can get.

 I also use sanding sealer on silkspan on my WWI models.  Does a nice job of sealing the fabric and works a lot like dope.

 

Ken

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:47 PM

 Matthew Usher wrote:
My low-tech, old-school answer would be basswood. It's easy to carve and is fine-grained. A little sealer and you'd have a nice smooth pattern.

I'm interested to hear what everyone else has to suggest.

Matt @ FSM


 

Hmmm? I've seen your photo... you don't look as old as me.Wink [;)]  And I originally came up with the same old school ideaSmile [:)]. But it has a life time ago since I sealed the balsa and silk span of my .049 powered 'Lil Jumpin’ Bean ukie with dope and talcum powder.  What’s the best sealer to use these days?

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Posted by Matthew Usher on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:30 PM
My low-tech, old-school answer would be basswood. It's easy to carve and is fine-grained. A little sealer and you'd have a nice smooth pattern.

I'm interested to hear what everyone else has to suggest.

Matt @ FSM



 wing_nut wrote:

Can someone tell me, or direct me to an online tutorial, for making a canopy mold, or blank, or buck, or whatever is called.  I want to convert a Polikarpov I-16 type 10 to a type 5.  This involves making a full canopy instead of the just a windscreen for an open cockpit.  So my questions include what is the best material for “carving” the new canopy? Whatever it is can it be vacuformed directly or will I need to make a resin mold or something like that.

 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

 

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Best material for carving a canopy mold?
Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:21 AM

Can someone tell me, or direct me to an online tutorial, for making a canopy mold, or blank, or buck, or whatever is called.  I want to convert a Polikarpov I-16 type 10 to a type 5.  This involves making a full canopy instead of the just a windscreen for an open cockpit.  So my questions include what is the best material for “carving” the new canopy? Whatever it is can it be vacuformed directly or will I need to make a resin mold or something like that.

 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Marc  

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