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1st Airliner Model need help
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:24 PM

Hi Guys,

I've been on the forums for a long time, and have been building models for 30 years. I'm building the Heller 1/125th Airbus A380  (my first airliner model) and have some questions. First of all coming from building military models which are almost always very flat paint......to now  this model having to use high gloss white. Gloss is far less forgiving than flat paint.

1. The window holes are open on this molding however they give you decals to go over them and suggest painting the interior black before assembly so as not to see empty space when finished.

Are the decals supposed to act as the glass? When a final coat of gloss is put over the decals won't  they shrivel if there is nothing behind them? (open window holes underneath). I heard some people fill these open window holes so the decals will have a flat surface to go on, but that doesn't make sense as you would see white. Any ideas on this.

 

I went to Airliners.net   a great site for sure but very little on assembling styrene airliner models. Is there a site that specializes in assembling building airliner models? As opposed to the hobby of collecting die cast models!

Responses appreciated as I get going on this pretty large model (nice molding as well) I'm building the Lufthansa livery and plan to paint the tail Luft Blue as opposed to using the giant decal in order to avoid a potential huge problem with a decal so big. I think painting the tail rudder will also look much more realistic.

Thanks

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, February 19, 2010 9:12 AM

       Are the decals supposed to act as the glass? When a final coat of gloss is put over the decals won't  they shrivel

With good decals and the proper clear coat you should be okay.  I'd try the clear coat you plan to use on a scrap section of decal to be sure.

Some folks also use one of several brands of a substance made for making small windows. One brand is Micro Krystal Klear. It is a lot like white glue, very thick so it will bridge small openings.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by leemitcheltree on Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:45 PM

Mate,

The long and short of it is...painful.  To achieve the best finish, the windows must be filled with putty or superglue, sanded flush with the fuselage surface and painted...and then the decals will be placed over that.

It's A LOT of work - there's a lot of windows to fill...but if you don't, the decals will dry and stretch a little...and the little window holes will leave depressions in the decals.  If the decal windows aren't exactly aligned with the holes, this will happen - it's not drastic, but detracts from the finished look of the model.

I always fill the windows on 1/144 airliners if there are decals for the windows...it's a bit of work, but you get a better finish.

Good luck!

Cheers, LeeTree
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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:08 AM

Agree with above.. Its best to fill the windows and sand the result flat..

 

As for paint dont worry.. If you have a hard time with gloss, then just use a matt white, and then when all is said and done (decals painting ect) then go over the gloss areas with a clear gloss to give it a finish and settle everything down..

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Posted by 9x19mm on Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:11 PM

Im not sure if in this would work 1/125 as I have never built a airliner in that scale. But believe it or not In 1/144 if you paint the inside of the model black and leave the windws open it doesnt look bad at all.  1/125 might be to big though to leave open.

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Posted by oldhooker on Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:49 PM

With all due respect to my esteemed colleagues, there isn't a BEST way to deal with windows in 144th or 200th scale, only a most PREFERRED way from individual Modelers.       If you prefer your finished A380 to look like a solid airlines display or one of the resin/diecast models, which are ultra clean, by all means fill the window openings.     If you prefer it to look like what you'd see sitting at the gate looking at it from the terminal window, make the windows transparent.      Either/or, makes an attractive finished product.

If you do decide to make the windows transparent, there are ways of accoplishing this so the windows won't become concave over time, namely, applying a strip of clear decal paper that's been over-sprayed with Testor's Gloss Coat, once dry, apply coat of Future over strip... once dry, apply second clear strip and cover with Future, dry, THEN apply the kits' window decals and cover with Future.     The clear material tightens as it dries like doped airplane fabric.

Another advantage of realistic windows is visible interior window shades and the occassional gawker's face, not to mention the "glass" appearance.       The subject of filled/non-filled windows is a touchy point with airliner modelers, perpetuated mainly by decal manufacturers, but like I said it depends on the Modelers preference and either one looks great.

Take care and be sure to post some photos when you get going. Smile

Frank

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Posted by Wilbur Wright on Tuesday, March 2, 2010 12:51 PM

I appreciate you all taking the time to answer. Thank You.

I forgot to say that the window decals for this kit are NOT BLACK... they are clear. Its only the gray outline of the window frame (and of course the middle of it  is clear decal sheet). Certainly if they were black oval window decals I would fill the holes. I cannot here or it would look crazy or fake. Advice appreciated with this new info.

 

Also is there any  truth to the fact that if you add a drop of blue to gloss white it will make it a more brilliant white?

 

 

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Posted by 9x19mm on Tuesday, March 2, 2010 1:39 PM

Well Id follow Franks advice in that case and leave them open.  Or check if after market decal sheets are made and fill them.  1/125 isnt my scale so I dont know if they are.

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Posted by Ben Brown on Saturday, March 6, 2010 8:25 AM

I've heard that adding a bit of blue will help prevent yellowing. Sometimes adding a clear coat will cause yellowing, too.

I prime my airliners with Tamiya's white primer in the rattle can. It is very white, covers well and goes down very smoothly. I'll then mask everything I want to remain white and keep painting. It also makes a great primer for Alclad metallic paints, for thos natural metal airliner bellies. I've also used Floquil Reefer White, but the models I've painted with it have a slightly "not quite white" look when compared to the ones painted with Tamiya primer. I guess you could say its a bit warmer than Tamiya's.

Ben

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, March 6, 2010 10:56 PM

A blue toned white will always look more like a pure white does in daylight, perhaps because of the reflected blue from the atmosphere in most of the whites you see outdoors.  Most indoor lights will give a pure white a yellow or greenish cast indoors depending on whether the lighting is incandescent or flourescent, so I would guess that shifting the model towards blue will give it a better look in indoor lighting.

John

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Posted by 9x19mm on Tuesday, March 9, 2010 12:13 PM

Ben, how do you polish the Tamiya primer for the Alclad coat?  Which Alclads do you use?

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Posted by Ben Brown on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:52 AM

I'll usually use 1200 grit sandpaper, then go back over it with a paper towel or coffee filter. Even without polishing, you can get a pretty shiny finish. For airliners, I've found that White Aluminum looks pretty good for the natural metal belly, then various Alclad and Metalizer colors for intake lips, engines, etc.

Ben

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Posted by 9x19mm on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 2:39 PM

Awesome, thx for the response Ben. 

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