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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, August 2, 2015 4:15 PM

Fly-n-hi

If they did get this story right then its a pleasant surprise.   I didn't say that it was wrong.  But its a drop in the bucket compared to what they don't get right.

There was a line spoken by Aldo Ray in the opening scene of "The Green Berets" that sums it up quite well I think

"... well, that's newspapers for you ma'am. You can fill volumes with what you don't read in them."

That can cut both ways.

 

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, August 2, 2015 3:11 PM

I'm not always grumpy, but the news can make me so.

Fly-n-hi

 They are in the business of selling (or even creating) drama. 

Yes, and it amazes me how few people understood this. The news media exists for one reason. To sell advertising.

Grumpiness aside for a moment, IMO GM does have a point a page back and it probably is a tough job. Even though most of the stuff is written for the on-air personalities, sometimes they do have to ad-lib and improvise.

As an example, for some reason, last year I found myself watching a couple replays of 911 newcasts. Given the confusion and everything else that was going on, the online personalities did pretty good with what they had to work with. Folks are sort of like walking encyclopedias in that they have to pretend they know a little bit about everything.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Sunday, August 2, 2015 2:37 PM

I certainly wouldn't call myself grumpy but I have become cynical regarding the news...and justifiably so.  They are in the business of selling (or even creating) drama.  

If they did get this story right then its a pleasant surprise.   I didn't say that it was wrong.  But its a drop in the bucket compared to what they don't get right.

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Posted by patrick206 on Sunday, August 2, 2015 1:49 PM

In the 80's a 727 landed in Portland, Oregon, with the left main gear unable to be extended. Once the available rescue and fire fighting systems were in place, the crew did a stellar job of landing with the right and nose gear extended, it stayed fully on the runway and came to a halt. Once lifted and the left gear manually extended, it was towed to a facility for temporary repairs. The damage was so minor that following those repairs, the airplane was issued a ferry permit to be flown to another location for permanent repairs, (maybe Boeing?)

So, on the TV news that evening was the following from the newscaster. "Today, an airliner landing at Portland couldn't get some of it's wheels down, so the pilot landed anyway and the wing broke."

Landed anyway????? What was the alternative, an eternal holding pattern? The video clearly demonstrated what a superior and professional job the crew did, no mention of that airmanship or the challenge it posed, just  "the wing broke."

The news media at present is just so terribly juvenile and inaccurate in reporting, I quit the newspaper several years ago, I watch very limited TV news just because really, that's about all I can take.

Patrick

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 2, 2015 1:16 PM
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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, August 2, 2015 1:13 PM

I may be grumpy, but I'm not old... Not yet anyways... Unless you ask my kids...

 

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, August 2, 2015 12:28 PM

GMorrison

Greg

GOM?

Ah, I see. Thanks, GM.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:48 AM

GMorrison

Greg

GOM?

I was hoping it was "Guardians of Middle-earth"............Whistling

OTOH..............I never liked the song "Stayin' Alive" till I watched actor Walter Matthau taking out the trash...........LOL........

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:41 AM

Just a suggestion: perhaps a little honesty in the news media would help......and a promise to update the viewers when an expert can confirm the identity of an object or provide a more informed opinion.................but that may be too much to ask.Wink

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:07 AM

Don Stauffer

I notice the media uses a lot of terms it doesn't understand.  They report a plane nosedives into the ground, even when it obviously pancakes or spins in.  To the medium, if the velocity vector is descending, it is a nosedive.  If a car is hit in the side, it is t-bone, even if it is a sideswipe.  And how many times have I seen the media call an aircraft a jet, even if it obviously has props!

It's a tough gig. I'm imagining Wolf Blitzer sitting there saying "Don, is that a big piece of stuff there? It looks like it could be something solid like metal. Do you think it came from a boat or a plane? I've never seen one before".

Just sayin'

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:03 AM

Greg

GOM?

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, August 2, 2015 10:55 AM

I notice the media uses a lot of terms it doesn't understand.  They report a plane nosedives into the ground, even when it obviously pancakes or spins in.  To the medium, if the velocity vector is descending, it is a nosedive.  If a car is hit in the side, it is t-bone, even if it is a sideswipe.  And how many times have I seen the media call an aircraft a jet, even if it obviously has props!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, August 2, 2015 10:51 AM

GOM?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 2, 2015 10:50 AM

Fly-n-hi

............... I mean if they are getting the aviation news so wrong what else are they getting wrong?

I would hope that people knowledgeable in their own professions are able to arrive at similar conclusions, but recent historical events sometimes suggest otherwise.
Such is life.
 
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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, August 2, 2015 10:42 AM

Sound like a bunch of GOM.

They got it right, and anyways all people need to know is that it's a control surface piece from the wing. My dwindling inside sources tell me that there is no doubt it is from the aircraft.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Ron777 on Sunday, August 2, 2015 2:24 AM

As far as I know they're flaperons....that is, at least, how they're ID'ed during the assembly of the wing.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, August 1, 2015 1:26 PM

I guess control surface does not sound as knowledgable as "flaperon"... As far as the media & law enforcement goes, I've been in that line of work for over 26 years now, and lets just say the ignorance out there in the media and general public really is astounding. Especially nowadays in the current trending events. I find it hard to watch or read the news.

All that aside, I do hope that the debris found does turn out to be from the long missing airliner, and that it leads to the discovery of the wreckage and final knowledge of this tragedy.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:50 PM

This conversation from Airliners.net seems to suggest that yes, they do. I also found a uTube video that purports to show ground tests of flaperons.

But I dunno for sure.

Oddly, I didn't question the validity of the news report, which is odd because I almost always do in matters pertaining to aviation or law enforcement.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Saturday, August 1, 2015 11:58 AM

I don't know about the 777 but the I do know that the 757, 767, and 737 do not have them.

As an airline pilot I've watched the news so many times and scratched my head at what was being reported regarding aviation.  Its amazing how much of what they report is total BS.  But the average Joe watching the news really has no idea.

It makes me wonder how often some cop is thinking the same thing when he is watching a news story about cops.  Or someone in whatever industry they are in.  I mean if they are getting the aviation news so wrong what else are they getting wrong?

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Boeing flaperons
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, August 1, 2015 9:50 AM

The media keeps referring to the part found in the Indian Ocean as a flaperon.  Does the 777 or any other Boeing airliner use flaperons?   I thought they had seperate flaps and ailerons.  I know some of the earlier Boeing jets had multiple aileron sections, but I think they were ailerons only.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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