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  • Member since
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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Friday, October 14, 2016 6:07 PM

I've been in all crew stations on B-52G,s, both pits on Phantoms, in the office of a C-130, and in Hueys and Blackhawks.   None are built for crew comfort.  Not even the bunk on the old BUFF. Nevr had a chance to stick my head in the cockpit of a civilian liner though.

 

Not much for FBW though, give me cables anyday.  Fixed enough bad wiring at various plugs and connectors in my day in the service.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 14, 2016 2:59 PM

but seriously, I have been fortunate enough to sit in the cockpit of a B-25, T-6, DC-3, and some various whirly birds...

 

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Posted by kg4kpg on Friday, October 14, 2016 12:31 PM

Only old passenger aircraft I've ever gotten to sit in the cockpit of was a friends Lockheed 10 Electra. The plane was a whole lot bigger than his Beechcraft Baron but sure was a lot more crampt for space. I got to fly the Baron, it was like driving a sports car. Never got to go up in the Electra before he sold it.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, October 14, 2016 9:21 AM

Some implementations of fly-by-wire scare me.  Now, there are some that still have hard cables or rods, and the fly-by-wire works on the boost only.  but there are ones that have no direct connections- the electrons are completely in charge.  In my last job, I asked the department head of our controls group if he was comfortable letting his family fly on the new airbus, the first commercial plane with fly-by-wire.  He said he was uncomfortable with it.

But, then seeing how much effort went into the reliability of those avionics systems I began to feel better.  Triple redundant flight control systems, or in some cases three plus one, with the forth being not identical in design, provide reliability probably way beyond a human pilot.

But, the design of the human factors on some of the systems is pretty crappy.  If the pilot cannot easily decide what mode to put the system in, in a given situation, that is worse than having no autopilot at all.  That was a factor in some of those airbus crashes.

The thing that worries me is that those commercial airliner systems have megabuck avionics systems to get that reliability.  We have automobiles now with throttle by wire.  No redundancy at all. I have a car with throttle-by-wire, and I have practiced putting drive system in neutral with car moving, the suggested emergency action for a "stuck throttle."  However, the transmission controls are electronic, not direct mechanical linkage, so it definitely is not foolproof!

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Aircraft and size
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, October 14, 2016 8:18 AM

 Hi ;

   I just got finished commenting on the Airliner / Civil aircraft thread . Made me think of something . How many of you have ever been in the cockpit of any of the great Propeller driven planes ?

   Man ! That is , by today's standards one tiny place for two crew , not to mention those that required a flight engineer as well . I thought about my visit to the " Flak - Bait " cockpit area at the Smithsonion .That was actually smaller than My B-25 !

      Now today we have these big flying towns .( might as well call them that ) Where I came from only had a population of 234 . On a good day !

   Now my question is . Here we have fly - by - wire . Better  , Maybe ! Trustworthy , Not in my opinion . We as a species get complacent when machines and electronics do the job for us . I am sure aircrews are no different overall .

    Yes , well trained , but when it comes down to the nuts and bolts ,  "Sully " said it best " I did what I was trained to do " .You can't train a machine , you can only program it ! I miss the old days , yes . Who really needs to get from one place too another at the possible cost to your health and well being ? Not I .

 I go slow and easy . Why ? Because I am old and set in my ways , Yes ! And darned proud of it . Planes though , Whatever  !, I love them all anyway ! Tanker - Builder

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