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pby fire fighter
Posted by ardvark002 on Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:34 AM

Hi all, Iam about to start a PBY and want to convert it to a water bomber. I'm having trouble figuring out how to cut off gun turret and how to fill in the void. Any tips would be appericated.  Thanks  Aardvark

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  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:56 PM

Ardvark, this looks like a pretty tough modification. More than just taking out the turret.

A lot of pictures I looked at had a nice slope from the windscreen to the nose with the bomb aimer's window covered with sheet metal. Probablyhave to take out the whole top of the nose and build up the area with styrene and putty, to get the shape you want. This is just one of the many pictures I found of a PBY with a modified nose. Just do a search for PBY water bomber.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, October 14, 2017 6:28 PM

I did one a while back. If you can find the 1/72 Revell Cousteau kit it's a big help because it has the 6 tail, like Franks picture.

The nose is about what Frank described, but it's not hard.

The other major change for my model, a Super PBY from the movie "Always", tanker 53, is the R2600s and cowls. I picked up a cheap B-25 on eBay for that.

I had to build up my own tail, but it wasn't too hard with the right drawings

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:02 PM

The Revell Cousteau PBY also has the faired over nose with no turret. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by ardvark002 on Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:42 PM
GMorrison, Thank you for your reply. I'm going to try and find the revell kit. I'm also modeling from "Always" I thought the 53 was a Neptune, not a B-25. I guess I'll have to watch the movie again. Your info is gratefully appericated. Aardvark
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Posted by ardvark002 on Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:51 PM
stickpusher, Thanks for you feedback, and especially the kit pics. This is what I'm lookin for. Hope I can find one of the Revell kits . Thanks again, Aardvark
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Posted by ardvark002 on Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:06 PM
fotofrank Your right, tough modification,don't know if my skills are up to it. If I can't find a revell kit ,that I was informed of, I will probably take a shot at it. Thanks much for your reply. Aardvark
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  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Sunday, October 15, 2017 8:09 AM

Ardvark, I recently bought a Hasegawa P2V-7 (P-2H) Neptune to build one of the fire fighting Neptunes of Neptune Aviation in Missoula, MT. Neptune is all jet now but their tanker #10 is now the gate guardian for Missoula International. The build will test my scratch building skills to the limit most likely with the deletion of the underside radome, top turret, and shortening the stinger tail plus building the hopper for the fire retardent.

Please keep us informed of your progress on this build. I'm sure some of us will want to try to duplicate your build. Now I'm going to go looking for the Revell Cousteau PBY!

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:58 AM

Rather than a great gob of filler, I'd cut a block of soft wood, like basswood or poplar, into the cavity after removing the turret, and just use the filler to blend the wood into the plastic.  This will take a bit of carving of the block.  Try to get the block to approximate size and shape before gluing it in, then fine carve to bring it right down to fuselage surface.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by ardvark002 on Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:04 PM
Hi all, I only found one for sale online. I'ts on e-bay. In Surrey, BC,but for some reason the seller won't ship to Oregon. Also they didn't list any way to contact. Real downer. Hope anyone wants to buy it, I hope you have better luck . Aardvark
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Posted by ardvark002 on Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:08 PM
Don, I gave you idea some though and looks like the way I'll have to go. Thanks for your reply. Aardvark
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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:31 PM

I took an approach as though I was building a hull, which seemed appropriate.

Warning, the following photos are gruesome and not suitable for small children.

Cut out the forward deck area.

Added some cross formers to shape the new turtle deck. You can also see I built up the fairings behind the engines, which got bigger firewalls.

Then I planked both areas with styrene and lots of CA glue.

Lots of chopping and rebuilding for the Super cat tail. Somebody like Belcher made a resin one, but I couldn't find it.

And, here's the decal set if you are looking for it.

 

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  • From: Columbia Falls, Montana
Posted by Hunter on Sunday, October 15, 2017 1:28 PM

ardvark,

Check out this video

https://youtu.be/4KGdP9_DHwY

I may help with the plane layout.

GM - That is some real nice scratch building on your "scooper"

Hunter 

      

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  • From: The Redwood Empire
Posted by Aaronw on Sunday, October 15, 2017 8:33 PM

ardvark002
GMorrison, Thank you for your reply. I'm going to try and find the revell kit. I'm also modeling from "Always" I thought the 53 was a Neptune, not a B-25. I guess I'll have to watch the movie again. Your info is gratefully appericated. Aardvark
 

 

He is talking about the engines on the PBY. They were originally built with 1200hp Pratt & Whitney R-1830s. Most PBYs used as tankers were upgraded into "Super Cats" by retrofitting more powerful 1700hp Wright R-2600 engines, which can be found in the B-25.

 

The other tanker in Always was a Douglas B-26 (A-26). 

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:26 PM

I think a C-119 makes a brief appearance and maybe a Ryan Navion in a ramp shot.

Great A26 footage.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:29 PM

Up where I live fires are out of control. We are safe for now, but a lot of both friends and clients are getting burned out.

Cal Fire had a number of S-2 turbos running out their hours.

The DC-10 is almost not enough.

About to have dropped 1 million gallons of retardant.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:41 PM

Hunter

ardvark,

Check out this video

https://youtu.be/4KGdP9_DHwY

I may help with the plane layout.

GM - That is some real nice scratch building on your "scooper"

 

Thanks, a bit of a project.

Those scoopers are CL-215s which are a kit originally sold by Heller and reboxed by Revell.

Other than the Lockheed products, a useful kit to build is the OV-10 forward control aircraft. You can scourge up kits and decals for that.

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, October 16, 2017 9:51 AM

Hello ;

 Did you know about the Seaplane firebomber that is out by I believe an out side company ? It's called a Canadaire and it is a nice kit . T.B.

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Posted by ardvark002 on Monday, October 16, 2017 10:56 AM
G Morrison I live in southern Or in the rogue valley. We were surrounded by fire this summer. We have a tanker base at the medford airport and had alot of tankers here. Our season is hopefully over and most of the planes are now in Calif. Glad to hear your safe. Good luck , Aardvark
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Posted by ardvark002 on Monday, October 16, 2017 11:04 AM
G Morrison, Thanks for the pics. Would love to see the rest of the build on the nose. I buy lots of my decals from Draw decal also , great place. Thanks again, Aardvark
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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:19 AM

Building an S2T tanker here.  Thought you may be interested. 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/175068.aspx

 

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Posted by lewbud on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:37 AM

GM,

Nice build on the PBY.  I've watched Always about a hundred times, never really noticed the PBY had the Super Cat conversion (usually distracted by the A-26s and Holly Hunter).

FotoFrank,

I was going to suggest going to Lone Star Models for the P2V Neptune tank, but he doesn't have one listed on his site any more.

Aardvark, 

Your PBY is looking great! I was about to save you some time and tell you Belcher Bits has the tail, but it's in 1/48 only.  I really need to finish up my A-26.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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  • From: Washington State
Posted by leemitcheltree on Monday, November 20, 2017 4:49 PM

Aardvark....hope it's not too late - but Belchers Bits makes a resin "Canso" nose conversion for the PBY that's exactly what you're looking for.  Have a look at the following:

http://www.belcherbits.com/lines/148conv/bb38.htm

Good luck!

Cheers, LeeTree Remember, Safety Fast!!!

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